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I've been using the Lispworks IDE for the last few years with medium to low satisfaction. Our production server is running SBCL on Ubuntu (which runs considera

I've been using the Lispworks IDE for the last few years with medium to low satisfaction. Our production server is running SBCL on Ubuntu (which runs considerably faster that LW) and my cofounder is working with Slime. He swears by Slime and I'll be making the switch soon. We are also moving from SVN to GIT.

Tichy 19y ago
Thanks for the info! I was more tending towards Scheme than Common LISP, does that make a difference?
- apgwoz 19y ago
  Slime doesn't exist for scheme. You can use Slime48 for Scheme48 version 1.3, but I don't know of any other ports for Scheme.
- apgwoz 19y ago
  If you're using MIT Scheme, you might try Edwin?
- corentin 19y ago
  The best Scheme IDE probably is DrScheme (plt-scheme.org)
  - herdrick 19y ago
    I use DrScheme every day. It's pretty good and getting better - they just added autocompletion (only for the standard library, not for your own bound variables) for example.
  - gills 19y ago
    I also use DrScheme regularly.
yrashk 19y ago
+1 for both slime and git
gibsonf1 19y ago
Performance Note: Our code is running at least 10x faster on Ubuntu with SBCL over Lispworks on Windows
- dfranke 19y ago
  Really? That is a lot. I noticed a factor of two when I moved from CLisp to SBCL, and I was under the impression that CLisp is generally the slowest implementation.
- Shooter 19y ago
  Do you attribute most of the difference in performance to the OS change or to the implementation change, though? (I'll never use Windows, but I've been considering using Lispworks again on OS X for a few things.) I've always used LW with Emacs in the past, not the LW IDE. I use Aquamacs for almost everything now...and SLIME is great. What Lisp libs are you using, if you don't mind my asking? I'm trying to figure out why CL-Memcached is slower than freaking PHP and Python for most things (!) - dcphillips /AT/ runbox /DOT/ com
  - gibsonf1 19y ago
    We're guessing primarily Windows, but with no LW Linux version to compare with, it is a guess. We're using cl-sql, uffi, md5, portableaserve (with net.html and minimal use of webactions). We have our own caching system (for key mysql db data) running in the application.
  - quasi 19y ago
    You call being slower by a (sometimes) 34 msec over 10000 network io requests as slow ? Most of the io stuff for php etc. is pure C. If you have /any/ non trivial application then the stability and performance of CL systems become apparent. If that is your problem, then try benchmarking string operations of CL vs. the rest of the gang.
- sdr 19y ago
  Out of curiosity (as a Lispworks and SBCL user who has never seen this sort of performance difference between the two) is there anything in particular that you could attribute this to (eg. FFI, Streams)

Tichy 19y ago

Thanks for the info! I was more tending towards Scheme than Common LISP, does that make a difference?

apgwoz 19y ago
Slime doesn't exist for scheme. You can use Slime48 for Scheme48 version 1.3, but I don't know of any other ports for Scheme.
apgwoz 19y ago
If you're using MIT Scheme, you might try Edwin?
corentin 19y ago
The best Scheme IDE probably is DrScheme (plt-scheme.org)
- herdrick 19y ago
  I use DrScheme every day. It's pretty good and getting better - they just added autocompletion (only for the standard library, not for your own bound variables) for example.
- gills 19y ago
  I also use DrScheme regularly.

yrashk 19y ago

+1 for both slime and git

gibsonf1 19y ago

Performance Note: Our code is running at least 10x faster on Ubuntu with SBCL over Lispworks on Windows

dfranke 19y ago
Really? That is a lot. I noticed a factor of two when I moved from CLisp to SBCL, and I was under the impression that CLisp is generally the slowest implementation.
Shooter 19y ago
Do you attribute most of the difference in performance to the OS change or to the implementation change, though? (I'll never use Windows, but I've been considering using Lispworks again on OS X for a few things.) I've always used LW with Emacs in the past, not the LW IDE. I use Aquamacs for almost everything now...and SLIME is great. What Lisp libs are you using, if you don't mind my asking? I'm trying to figure out why CL-Memcached is slower than freaking PHP and Python for most things (!) - dcphillips /AT/ runbox /DOT/ com
- gibsonf1 19y ago
  We're guessing primarily Windows, but with no LW Linux version to compare with, it is a guess. We're using cl-sql, uffi, md5, portableaserve (with net.html and minimal use of webactions). We have our own caching system (for key mysql db data) running in the application.
- quasi 19y ago
  You call being slower by a (sometimes) 34 msec over 10000 network io requests as slow ? Most of the io stuff for php etc. is pure C. If you have /any/ non trivial application then the stability and performance of CL systems become apparent. If that is your problem, then try benchmarking string operations of CL vs. the rest of the gang.
sdr 19y ago
Out of curiosity (as a Lispworks and SBCL user who has never seen this sort of performance difference between the two) is there anything in particular that you could attribute this to (eg. FFI, Streams)