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Who's out of touch with reality here? Putin or latimes?

by chj 13y ago

Shivetya 13y ago
My question has been this all the long. Really, why is this uprising democratic in nature as many Western news sources claim? They drove off an elected government. One of the heroines of this movement is a monster who was similarly driven out of power in the preceding Orange Revolution (or whatever) If anything its only an issue because Putin has not decided to play ball like the others want. He went his own way in Syria and came off as the side with the sensible alternatives. He is not drawing red lines in the sand only to have other countries ignore them, heck he ignores them. You have a large country on your borders with a very large military do the freak out twice in ten years, yeah I would be concerned. Better yet, since there are many ethnic groups that share similarities across borders, if not merely separated by past Soviet political games, there are some valid concerns to be addressed. Let alone there are Russian military bases are there by treaty and lease in Crimeria, there is also a large contingent that has been trying to align with Russia since the Soviet Union broke up. So its not all cut and dry as many in the West would like. Considering the US recent history with Libya, Syria, and drone assassination programs, its not like we have the moral standing to chastise them
- pekk 13y ago
  You are GRAVELY misinformed and you are destroying all nuance because you are in such a rush to change the subject to condemning "the West". Tymoshenko was NOT driven out during the Orange Revolution. She was one of its leaders. But since you seem to support the Orange Revolution, why was that democratic in nature? Since you claim that ethnic Ukrainians were prone to carry out a pogrom against ethnic Russians, provide any evidence for that claim. Russia has a port in Crimea and there are some Russian-aligned people there, that is fine, actually the US position was that Putin should pull back to his bases. Somehow you missed the part about marching a large army into Ukraine and how that violates existing treaties and the sovereignty of Ukraine. The existence of drones does not invalidate all treaties. If your problem with drones is violation of international law, you must at least oppose other violations of international law. It doesn't make sense to be selective.
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    He was slightly mistaken, but Tymoshenko's incarceration was supported by Yushchenko, and their squabbling was the end of the 'Orange' revolution...
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    By the way, according to the Russia-Ukraine treaty Russia does have a right to be in Crimea, and the head of state of Ukraine asked Russia for assistance, further bolstering their legal right to be in Ukraine.

Who's out of touch with reality here? Putin or latimes?

by chj 13y ago

Who's out of touch with reality here? Putin or latimes?

My question has been this all the long. Really, why is this uprising democratic in nature as many Western news sources claim? They drove off an elected government. One of the heroines of this movement is a monster who was similarly driven out of power in the preceding Orange Revolution (or whatever) If anything its only an issue because Putin has not decided to play ball like the others want. He went his own way in Syria and came off as the side with the sensible alternatives. He is not drawing red lines in the sand only to have other countries ignore them, heck he ignores them. You have a large country on your borders with a very large military do the freak out twice in ten years, yeah I would be concerned. Better yet, since there are many ethnic groups that share similarities across borders, if not merely separated by past Soviet political games, there are some valid concerns to be addressed. Let alone there are Russian military bases are there by treaty and lease in Crimeria, there is also a large contingent that has been trying to align with Russia since the Soviet Union broke up. So its not all cut and dry as many in the West would like. Considering the US recent history with Libya, Syria, and drone assassination programs, its not like we have the moral standing to chastise them

pekk 13y ago
You are GRAVELY misinformed and you are destroying all nuance because you are in such a rush to change the subject to condemning "the West". Tymoshenko was NOT driven out during the Orange Revolution. She was one of its leaders. But since you seem to support the Orange Revolution, why was that democratic in nature? Since you claim that ethnic Ukrainians were prone to carry out a pogrom against ethnic Russians, provide any evidence for that claim. Russia has a port in Crimea and there are some Russian-aligned people there, that is fine, actually the US position was that Putin should pull back to his bases. Somehow you missed the part about marching a large army into Ukraine and how that violates existing treaties and the sovereignty of Ukraine. The existence of drones does not invalidate all treaties. If your problem with drones is violation of international law, you must at least oppose other violations of international law. It doesn't make sense to be selective.
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  He was slightly mistaken, but Tymoshenko's incarceration was supported by Yushchenko, and their squabbling was the end of the 'Orange' revolution...
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  By the way, according to the Russia-Ukraine treaty Russia does have a right to be in Crimea, and the head of state of Ukraine asked Russia for assistance, further bolstering their legal right to be in Ukraine.