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So the millions of people buying Android tablets just throw their money away and never use them? Seems a bit of a stretch. Generally if a product isn't useful t

by RyanZAG 13y ago

So the millions of people buying Android tablets just throw their money away and never use them? Seems a bit of a stretch. Generally if a product isn't useful then people don't buy it, regardless of the price. Why doesn't your family member return the tablet if it's useless?

k-mcgrady 13y ago
>> So the millions of people buying Android tablets just throw their money away and never use them? Seems a bit of a stretch. I didn't say that at all. From my personal experience it seems they get less value from them. They are certainly useful devices but I think the extra money an iPad costs provides more value than the added expense. >> Why doesn't your family member return the tablet if it's useless? He's trying to sell it.
- Touche 13y ago
  I get the opposite impression. Because the iPad doesn't have access to the harddrive it's hard to use it outside of silo-ed app experiences. I have a catalog of cbr/cbz comic books and it's simple too much work to get them on the iPad. On the Nexus 7 I simple copy them over the network using File Explorer.
  - evilduck 13y ago
    iOS apps that have file management needs work fundamentally the same as a regular file explorer: connect to iTunes, select your device, click the 'Apps' tab, scroll down to 'File Sharing', select your destination app, drag and drop files, sync. You can even do this over wifi. I guess the Android advantage is you can initiate this transfer from the device instead of the computer, but that's not really "too much work" IMO. Apps that register for opening certain file types will also be available in 'Open in' dialogs of other apps (if the developers of both apps added the same file extension) so it's easy to move files between apps. Silos for app files only exist if the developer is lazy or ignorant, the platform itself has supported file sharing between apps for years.
    - Touche 13y ago
      > iOS apps that have file management needs work fundamentally the same as a regular file explorer: connect to iTunes, Wait, what? Connecting to iTunes is not part of any regular file explorer workflow. > I guess the Android advantage is you can initiate this transfer from the device instead of the computer, but that's not really "too much work" IMO. Wow, can't disagree more. That's an enormous difference. one is a computer and one is a periphery. Peripheries are fine, some people can live with just a periphery, but if you have real file management needs like the one I pointed to above, a periphery won't cut it. It's entirely too inconvenient to have to dig out the computer that has iTunes installed (for me it's 1 of 4 laptops in my house), get the files onto that computer (probably over the network) and then transfer them onto the device.
      - evilduck 13y ago
        What's the tangible difference between opening iTunes and opening a file explorer app? Nothing. Both scenarios of file management require opening a program and moving files around. The name of the program is rather irrelevant. Even navigating to the device/app is maybe one more click than finding your phone's storage over a network share or when physically connected. And you've only got to physically connect to iTunes once, after that you can just upload files over local wifi. You've constructed yourself a scenario where iOS is the loser for you, but for anyone with a Windows or Mac computer (what, 97% of the world?), "finding the iTunes computer" is not a difficult task. How about we call a molehill a molehill instead of a mountain?
        Touche 13y ago
        If I have to copy a large file (movies can be 10gb) to a computer first and then copy to it to the iPad, that is not a molehill, that's an major inconvenience, and a major time-sink. Of course, I fundamentally disagree that having to use a computer to get data onto another computer is a small inconvenience.
        evilduck 13y ago

by RyanZAG 13y ago

k-mcgrady 13y ago

>> So the millions of people buying Android tablets just throw their money away and never use them? Seems a bit of a stretch. I didn't say that at all. From my personal experience it seems they get less value from them. They are certainly useful devices but I think the extra money an iPad costs provides more value than the added expense. >> Why doesn't your family member return the tablet if it's useless? He's trying to sell it.

Touche 13y ago
I get the opposite impression. Because the iPad doesn't have access to the harddrive it's hard to use it outside of silo-ed app experiences. I have a catalog of cbr/cbz comic books and it's simple too much work to get them on the iPad. On the Nexus 7 I simple copy them over the network using File Explorer.
- evilduck 13y ago
  iOS apps that have file management needs work fundamentally the same as a regular file explorer: connect to iTunes, select your device, click the 'Apps' tab, scroll down to 'File Sharing', select your destination app, drag and drop files, sync. You can even do this over wifi. I guess the Android advantage is you can initiate this transfer from the device instead of the computer, but that's not really "too much work" IMO. Apps that register for opening certain file types will also be available in 'Open in' dialogs of other apps (if the developers of both apps added the same file extension) so it's easy to move files between apps. Silos for app files only exist if the developer is lazy or ignorant, the platform itself has supported file sharing between apps for years.
  - Touche 13y ago
    > iOS apps that have file management needs work fundamentally the same as a regular file explorer: connect to iTunes, Wait, what? Connecting to iTunes is not part of any regular file explorer workflow. > I guess the Android advantage is you can initiate this transfer from the device instead of the computer, but that's not really "too much work" IMO. Wow, can't disagree more. That's an enormous difference. one is a computer and one is a periphery. Peripheries are fine, some people can live with just a periphery, but if you have real file management needs like the one I pointed to above, a periphery won't cut it. It's entirely too inconvenient to have to dig out the computer that has iTunes installed (for me it's 1 of 4 laptops in my house), get the files onto that computer (probably over the network) and then transfer them onto the device.
    - evilduck 13y ago
      What's the tangible difference between opening iTunes and opening a file explorer app? Nothing. Both scenarios of file management require opening a program and moving files around. The name of the program is rather irrelevant. Even navigating to the device/app is maybe one more click than finding your phone's storage over a network share or when physically connected. And you've only got to physically connect to iTunes once, after that you can just upload files over local wifi. You've constructed yourself a scenario where iOS is the loser for you, but for anyone with a Windows or Mac computer (what, 97% of the world?), "finding the iTunes computer" is not a difficult task. How about we call a molehill a molehill instead of a mountain?
      - Touche 13y ago
        If I have to copy a large file (movies can be 10gb) to a computer first and then copy to it to the iPad, that is not a molehill, that's an major inconvenience, and a major time-sink. Of course, I fundamentally disagree that having to use a computer to get data onto another computer is a small inconvenience.
        evilduck 13y ago