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Surprised this hadn't already happened as I'm sure Android tablets are much more popular in a lot of markets where price is the most important consideration. Ap

Surprised this hadn't already happened as I'm sure Android tablets are much more popular in a lot of markets where price is the most important consideration. Apple really doesn't cater to that at all. What's the usage numbers like though. That seems to be the one Apple always bring out when discussing the iPhone (fewer sales but much more web browsing than Android). I know a family member who had an iPad and used it all the time. For his next tablet he got an Android tablet and he doesn't use it at all. Why? No good apps. Android still lacks massively in quality tablet apps.

rikkus 13y ago
I like good apps, and would consider using something with iOS, but I haven't seen anything on iOS that is missing or not-as-good on Android. Could you give some example apps? It would be great to hear about some I/we are missing out on. I'm not just asking so I can say 'Hey Android has this already' - I'm genuinely interested in good apps!
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  Off the top of my head: - Garageband - Amplitube - Paper by FiftyThree - iMovie - Penultimate - Sky Guide
  - GFischer 13y ago
    Sounds like Apple is really good for some niches, but I don't see any killer apps out there (which is why Android is thriving I guess :) ).
    - k-mcgrady 13y ago
      If you're a musician Garageband and Amplitube are both killer and there is now comparison on Android (one of the main things preventing me from switching to Android). It's a niche but a pretty large one. iMovie is something that isn't niche - a lot of people are going to find that very useful for putting together quick videos and photo montages to email to friends.
      - Touche 13y ago
        Niche doesn't mean only for enthusiasts. Windows shipped a movie maker for years that no one used, I'm sure iMovie is the same.
        k-mcgrady 13y ago
        >> "Windows shipped a movie maker for years that no one used" Because it was terrible. Also there was no easy way to share videos. Look at how many videos are uploaded to YouTube everyday. A lot of people will get value form iMovie.
        simonh 13y ago
        Oh boy was that bad. It couldn't write DVDs back when that was THE thing you wanted a video editor to do, and it only supported windows-only codecs. You couldn't even upload the videos to Youtube, when that became The thing you wanted to do with video, due to the proprietary-only codec support. This is one of the three main reasons I switched to Mac back in 2007. One was viruses, another was Time machine and the third was video as I had recently had kids. The closest thing to iMove on a PC back then cost IIRC about $1,000.
    - IBM 13y ago
      Android is gaining market share because of extremely low-end devices that are inexpensive. So far that hasn't been enough to convince developers to stop being iOS first, and especially not for tablets.
      - pjmlp 13y ago
        Many developers are Android first on the markets that cannot afford iOS devices.
    - MrScruff 13y ago
      Everyone has their own niche though. This is what Apple suffered from in the 90s - the long tail. Whatever you wanted to do, there was a Windows application that did it.
  - rikkus 13y ago
    Thanks, will check them out.
- jkaljundi 13y ago
  Many aviation, flight planning and aviation navigation maps are much better on iOS and there is much better choice for iOS. The same for many magazines.
NicoJuicy 13y ago
So they use Apple more for webbrowsing and they don't use Android because their are no good apps on it? Weird... The browsing experience is very good on Android. But then again, my mom uses an Android tablet all the time and my aunt doesn't use her iPad. Whats your conclusion about that? :-)
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  The stats I'm referring to are ones the Apple always mention at events. Although there are many more Android phones sold than iPhones when you look at browser usage share iPhone is higher than Android. Their point seems to be that a lot of Android phones are used solely as phones and not as smartphones.
  - Touche 13y ago
    Marketshare measures devices sold. So while Android has overtaken iPad in sales, there are still more total iPads in the world. Browser usage is always going to lag behind sales for years. Go look at browser marketshare charts and notice Safari on the slow decline.
  - NicoJuicy 13y ago
    Look, i'm really not going to argue with you. But we have a saying in Dutch: "Wij van Wc-eend adviseren... Wc-eend" Translation: "We from ToiletDuck advice... ToiletDuck" (it was a known commercial for a toilet cleaning product)
    - NicoJuicy 13y ago
      http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_van_Wc-eend_adviseren.. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_van_Wc-eend_adviseren...
- cmelbye 13y ago
  Your anecdote doesn't really change the statistics that Apple consistently presents at their events.
Touche 13y ago
> What's the usage numbers like though. That seems to be the one Apple always bring out when discussing the iPhone They use whatever number is to their advantage. First it was marketshare, then it was app count, "usage" is simply the newest number they use. Suffice to say, they're going to lose that one too. But I'm sure iOS will always have some advantage so they'll always have some number that's the one true indicator of value.
- smackfu 13y ago
  Profit is another good one.
corresation 13y ago
I know a family member who had an iPad and used it all the time. For his next tablet he got an Android tablet and he doesn't use it at all. In my household we have two Nexus 7s and an iPad. The iPad is absolutely loaded with apps. My children argue over who has to take the iPad, as they all prefer the Nexus 7s. The games are identical to their iPad counterparts, YouTube is, apparently, a superior experience (not surprising given Google), Netflix is largely the same, and it has search and a web browser. That encompasses all of their computing world. Oh and it has a couple of gaming system emulators. Those aren't even possible on iOS. It isn't just children. To many adults, a tablet is a web, email and media device. I read the news on news websites, not by using apps for each provider. I use the web browser. etc. The long tail isn't as big of a difference as it is so often held out to be. Paper is a neat app....but I haven't touched it in probably a year. The same for Garageband -- a week of lots of use, then forgotten. I've never made a movie on a tablet. Those all faded away. Personally I still prefer the iPad when I grab something for browsing, and given that it has the TMNGo app that isn't available for Android yet, but it just isn't that huge of a chasm.

rikkus 13y ago

I like good apps, and would consider using something with iOS, but I haven't seen anything on iOS that is missing or not-as-good on Android. Could you give some example apps? It would be great to hear about some I/we are missing out on. I'm not just asking so I can say 'Hey Android has this already' - I'm genuinely interested in good apps!

k-mcgrady 13y ago
Off the top of my head: - Garageband - Amplitube - Paper by FiftyThree - iMovie - Penultimate - Sky Guide
- GFischer 13y ago
  Sounds like Apple is really good for some niches, but I don't see any killer apps out there (which is why Android is thriving I guess :) ).
  - k-mcgrady 13y ago
    If you're a musician Garageband and Amplitube are both killer and there is now comparison on Android (one of the main things preventing me from switching to Android). It's a niche but a pretty large one. iMovie is something that isn't niche - a lot of people are going to find that very useful for putting together quick videos and photo montages to email to friends.
    - Touche 13y ago
      Niche doesn't mean only for enthusiasts. Windows shipped a movie maker for years that no one used, I'm sure iMovie is the same.
      - k-mcgrady 13y ago
        >> "Windows shipped a movie maker for years that no one used" Because it was terrible. Also there was no easy way to share videos. Look at how many videos are uploaded to YouTube everyday. A lot of people will get value form iMovie.
      - simonh 13y ago
        Oh boy was that bad. It couldn't write DVDs back when that was THE thing you wanted a video editor to do, and it only supported windows-only codecs. You couldn't even upload the videos to Youtube, when that became The thing you wanted to do with video, due to the proprietary-only codec support. This is one of the three main reasons I switched to Mac back in 2007. One was viruses, another was Time machine and the third was video as I had recently had kids. The closest thing to iMove on a PC back then cost IIRC about $1,000.
  - IBM 13y ago
    Android is gaining market share because of extremely low-end devices that are inexpensive. So far that hasn't been enough to convince developers to stop being iOS first, and especially not for tablets.
    - pjmlp 13y ago
      Many developers are Android first on the markets that cannot afford iOS devices.
  - MrScruff 13y ago
    Everyone has their own niche though. This is what Apple suffered from in the 90s - the long tail. Whatever you wanted to do, there was a Windows application that did it.
- rikkus 13y ago
  Thanks, will check them out.
jkaljundi 13y ago
Many aviation, flight planning and aviation navigation maps are much better on iOS and there is much better choice for iOS. The same for many magazines.

NicoJuicy 13y ago

So they use Apple more for webbrowsing and they don't use Android because their are no good apps on it? Weird... The browsing experience is very good on Android. But then again, my mom uses an Android tablet all the time and my aunt doesn't use her iPad. Whats your conclusion about that? :-)

k-mcgrady 13y ago
The stats I'm referring to are ones the Apple always mention at events. Although there are many more Android phones sold than iPhones when you look at browser usage share iPhone is higher than Android. Their point seems to be that a lot of Android phones are used solely as phones and not as smartphones.
- Touche 13y ago
  Marketshare measures devices sold. So while Android has overtaken iPad in sales, there are still more total iPads in the world. Browser usage is always going to lag behind sales for years. Go look at browser marketshare charts and notice Safari on the slow decline.
- NicoJuicy 13y ago
  Look, i'm really not going to argue with you. But we have a saying in Dutch: "Wij van Wc-eend adviseren... Wc-eend" Translation: "We from ToiletDuck advice... ToiletDuck" (it was a known commercial for a toilet cleaning product)
  - NicoJuicy 13y ago
    http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_van_Wc-eend_adviseren.. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_van_Wc-eend_adviseren...
cmelbye 13y ago
Your anecdote doesn't really change the statistics that Apple consistently presents at their events.

Touche 13y ago

> What's the usage numbers like though. That seems to be the one Apple always bring out when discussing the iPhone They use whatever number is to their advantage. First it was marketshare, then it was app count, "usage" is simply the newest number they use. Suffice to say, they're going to lose that one too. But I'm sure iOS will always have some advantage so they'll always have some number that's the one true indicator of value.

smackfu 13y ago
Profit is another good one.

corresation 13y ago

I know a family member who had an iPad and used it all the time. For his next tablet he got an Android tablet and he doesn't use it at all. In my household we have two Nexus 7s and an iPad. The iPad is absolutely loaded with apps. My children argue over who has to take the iPad, as they all prefer the Nexus 7s. The games are identical to their iPad counterparts, YouTube is, apparently, a superior experience (not surprising given Google), Netflix is largely the same, and it has search and a web browser. That encompasses all of their computing world. Oh and it has a couple of gaming system emulators. Those aren't even possible on iOS. It isn't just children. To many adults, a tablet is a web, email and media device. I read the news on news websites, not by using apps for each provider. I use the web browser. etc. The long tail isn't as big of a difference as it is so often held out to be. Paper is a neat app....but I haven't touched it in probably a year. The same for Garageband -- a week of lots of use, then forgotten. I've never made a movie on a tablet. Those all faded away. Personally I still prefer the iPad when I grab something for browsing, and given that it has the TMNGo app that isn't available for Android yet, but it just isn't that huge of a chasm.