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Also, if he really wants to use a shell, he can easily install cygwin or just learn powershell. I use both ms-tecnology than linux for work, and I like and hat

by yulaow 13y ago

Also, if he really wants to use a shell, he can easily install cygwin or just learn powershell. I use both ms-tecnology than linux for work, and I like and hate some parts of both. I think OP biggest problem is the fact that he used only the "main" (as "more common") tools of his os, ignoring that you can easily run almost any tecnology stack over it without the need of change the os itself

sliverstorm 13y ago
Shell fanatic here, I try cygwin every now and again, I still hate it.
- yulaow 13y ago
  I mainly hate that to install all the utilities I need, each time, I have to wait something between 30 and 50 minutes. About how it works, since now, I had not any problem.
- marshray 13y ago
  I have my frustrations too, but what makes you really hate it so much?
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    Nonsensical paths to all of my disks, the terrible emulator that is cmd.exe, the poor support for spaces, the ambiguity between forward-slash and back-slash, the fact that here and there, this or that random feature I take for granted on POSIX will not and cannot ever work... That last one is especially frustrating because I'll spend three hours getting tool XYZ to compile on cygwin, and then just when the finish line is in sight I find "BTW /dev/null is unsupported in cygwin, and tool XYZ cannot run without it". I mean, /dev/null is supported, that's just an example- it's always something fundamental that you would never imagine doesn't work.
robbrown451 13y ago
The shell is a second class citizen on Windows, and "the Microsoft way" discourages its use.
- yulaow 13y ago
  The shell is a second class citizen also in OsX for what I know (sigh, I have really to find the money to buy and try a mac also out of the office) The fact that is a "second class citizen" does not mean that it is less usable than in linux/unix, obviously if we exclude the first workarounds to make it works
- spo81rty 13y ago
  I don't know if I would say discourages it. It is more a different style. Point and click GUIs and wizards versus memorizing command line commands.
  - tacticus 13y ago
    Wonderfully verbose and difficult to repeat and document vs easy to automate\document is another way of putting the gui vs cli
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Jare 13y ago
ConEmu + Cygwin and you are mostly set. A few glitches here and there (unfortunately the latest tmux does not work on ConEmu). But don't expect the alternatives to be a walk in the park either.

by yulaow 13y ago

sliverstorm 13y ago

Shell fanatic here, I try cygwin every now and again, I still hate it.

yulaow 13y ago
I mainly hate that to install all the utilities I need, each time, I have to wait something between 30 and 50 minutes. About how it works, since now, I had not any problem.
marshray 13y ago
I have my frustrations too, but what makes you really hate it so much?
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  Nonsensical paths to all of my disks, the terrible emulator that is cmd.exe, the poor support for spaces, the ambiguity between forward-slash and back-slash, the fact that here and there, this or that random feature I take for granted on POSIX will not and cannot ever work... That last one is especially frustrating because I'll spend three hours getting tool XYZ to compile on cygwin, and then just when the finish line is in sight I find "BTW /dev/null is unsupported in cygwin, and tool XYZ cannot run without it". I mean, /dev/null is supported, that's just an example- it's always something fundamental that you would never imagine doesn't work.

robbrown451 13y ago

The shell is a second class citizen on Windows, and "the Microsoft way" discourages its use.

yulaow 13y ago
The shell is a second class citizen also in OsX for what I know (sigh, I have really to find the money to buy and try a mac also out of the office) The fact that is a "second class citizen" does not mean that it is less usable than in linux/unix, obviously if we exclude the first workarounds to make it works
spo81rty 13y ago
I don't know if I would say discourages it. It is more a different style. Point and click GUIs and wizards versus memorizing command line commands.
- tacticus 13y ago
  Wonderfully verbose and difficult to repeat and document vs easy to automate\document is another way of putting the gui vs cli

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Jare 13y ago

ConEmu + Cygwin and you are mostly set. A few glitches here and there (unfortunately the latest tmux does not work on ConEmu). But don't expect the alternatives to be a walk in the park either.