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IOS Users are the New Windows Users

3 points by fisherprice 13y ago

Watabou 13y ago
> no, it's the specs—the specs of an iPhone and its software, iOS is lacking more than two years behind Android The 5S scored 2500 in Geekbench, which is a dual core system. To get to the same performance, you have to buy a 4 core Android device. I rest my case.
interpol_p 13y ago
I very strongly disagree with this, from the article: "When telling, showing and proving that Android 4.x smartphones are lightyears beyond iPhones in terms of hard-, software and design iOS" iOS is simple on the surface, but the developer frameworks are far more consistent, well designed, and powerful than what Android offers. From video editing, typography, persistent storage, animation, UI, audio processing, iOS seems well ahead of Android. Much of the Android SDK feels cobbled together.
- fisherprice 13y ago
  I strongly disagree with you. How many Android apps did you develop? Do you know the newer Android tool chains? Just the non-resolution-independent framework on iOS is a big pain and iOS biggest bottleneck and this is where Apple struggles right now (to make the next bigger iPhones happen). But your post shows very well again the general attitude of iOS folks and it's your pure fear which speaks out load -- your fear that your dev experience and skills in iOS will be less worth very soon and you have to start at zero again, on Android. Edited: btw downvoting != disagreeing
  - 37prime 13y ago
    Can the post get any more subjective?
  - theswan 13y ago
    I think downvoting != disagreeing to the point, but rather, downvoting = disagreeing that this article is worth the time to read.
  - interpol_p 13y ago
    I didn't down vote anything, so I'm unsure what you're referring to there. I haven't touched Android development for a few months so I might be out of date. In particular I very much disliked their scroll view and list view implementations. I found Android to be a mess in general, API wise. Things seemed much more ad-hoc and less thought out than on iOS. And I have some very specific disagreements with their API design choices (or lack of them). As I mentioned in my original post, Android seems to lack the built-in high-level rendering, audio, typography, language and other frameworks of iOS. I've never found the screen density stuff to be an issue on iOS — I always design and render my UI elements directly as vector graphics (PDF). This is almost impossible to do efficiently on Android (no native PDF rendering API). I really have no idea what you're talking about when you mention my "fear." I am more than happy to develop on any platform. I just find Android much worse than iOS at the moment. If it gets better I'll happily switch.
Oletros 13y ago
I look this post and the only thing I see is a fanboy rant like the ones that I see from the other side.
- fisherprice 13y ago
  It's socially acceptable to outline Windows weaknesses since decades and if this happens with Apple or iOS it's fanboyism? iOS feels very similar to Windows in its worst days, even worse because Windows was much more open. So, again the question: tell us why is this fanboyism, why do you think it's not appropriate to compare two operating systems? Because of your fear that your favorite will loose? Why should we not talk about the 18% share and the decline of Apple and iOS happening for years?
  - Oletros 13y ago
    It is fanboyism because that rant is just bullshit, Android is not years ahead of iOS, Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. And someone that can say with straight face that Android hardware specs are far ahead iPhone 5s is just someone that doesn't know what is talking about. And by the way, you can try the "Because of your fear that your favorite will loose?" with others. I use Android and I don't have any iOS device.
    - fisherprice 13y ago
      > Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some valid reasons (but how? you do not have an iOS device anyway). Again, this is not a rant, this is reality, it's just that in the last two years Android developed much faster than iOS did, in every regard. And it seems that it's not allowed to address iOS' fall.
      - 13y ago
pabrs 13y ago
Damn. That's 2 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

3 points by fisherprice 13y ago

> no, it's the specs—the specs of an iPhone and its software, iOS is lacking more than two years behind Android The 5S scored 2500 in Geekbench, which is a dual core system. To get to the same performance, you have to buy a 4 core Android device. I rest my case.

interpol_p 13y ago

I very strongly disagree with this, from the article: "When telling, showing and proving that Android 4.x smartphones are lightyears beyond iPhones in terms of hard-, software and design iOS" iOS is simple on the surface, but the developer frameworks are far more consistent, well designed, and powerful than what Android offers. From video editing, typography, persistent storage, animation, UI, audio processing, iOS seems well ahead of Android. Much of the Android SDK feels cobbled together.

fisherprice 13y ago
I strongly disagree with you. How many Android apps did you develop? Do you know the newer Android tool chains? Just the non-resolution-independent framework on iOS is a big pain and iOS biggest bottleneck and this is where Apple struggles right now (to make the next bigger iPhones happen). But your post shows very well again the general attitude of iOS folks and it's your pure fear which speaks out load -- your fear that your dev experience and skills in iOS will be less worth very soon and you have to start at zero again, on Android. Edited: btw downvoting != disagreeing
- 37prime 13y ago
  Can the post get any more subjective?
- theswan 13y ago
  I think downvoting != disagreeing to the point, but rather, downvoting = disagreeing that this article is worth the time to read.
- interpol_p 13y ago
  I didn't down vote anything, so I'm unsure what you're referring to there. I haven't touched Android development for a few months so I might be out of date. In particular I very much disliked their scroll view and list view implementations. I found Android to be a mess in general, API wise. Things seemed much more ad-hoc and less thought out than on iOS. And I have some very specific disagreements with their API design choices (or lack of them). As I mentioned in my original post, Android seems to lack the built-in high-level rendering, audio, typography, language and other frameworks of iOS. I've never found the screen density stuff to be an issue on iOS — I always design and render my UI elements directly as vector graphics (PDF). This is almost impossible to do efficiently on Android (no native PDF rendering API). I really have no idea what you're talking about when you mention my "fear." I am more than happy to develop on any platform. I just find Android much worse than iOS at the moment. If it gets better I'll happily switch.

Oletros 13y ago

I look this post and the only thing I see is a fanboy rant like the ones that I see from the other side.

fisherprice 13y ago
It's socially acceptable to outline Windows weaknesses since decades and if this happens with Apple or iOS it's fanboyism? iOS feels very similar to Windows in its worst days, even worse because Windows was much more open. So, again the question: tell us why is this fanboyism, why do you think it's not appropriate to compare two operating systems? Because of your fear that your favorite will loose? Why should we not talk about the 18% share and the decline of Apple and iOS happening for years?
- Oletros 13y ago
  It is fanboyism because that rant is just bullshit, Android is not years ahead of iOS, Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. And someone that can say with straight face that Android hardware specs are far ahead iPhone 5s is just someone that doesn't know what is talking about. And by the way, you can try the "Because of your fear that your favorite will loose?" with others. I use Android and I don't have any iOS device.
  - fisherprice 13y ago
    > Android has some advantages over iOS and iOS have other over Android. You do not have any iOS device but claim that iOS have advantages over Android? This sounds a bit weird but ok, try to find one single reason why iOS should be better. But you won't because it's easier for you to bail out from the discussion and go to the meta level by telling that this is a rant, bullshit and fanboyism instead of giving some valid reasons (but how? you do not have an iOS device anyway). Again, this is not a rant, this is reality, it's just that in the last two years Android developed much faster than iOS did, in every regard. And it seems that it's not allowed to address iOS' fall.
    - 13y ago

pabrs 13y ago

Damn. That's 2 minutes of my life I'll never get back.