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>Half the country wants to be part of Russia's Economic market and the other half want to be part of the EU economic market. Everything I have read indicates t

>Half the country wants to be part of Russia's Economic market and the other half want to be part of the EU economic market. Everything I have read indicates that its more of a 80/20 split. Where is this 50/50 number from?

barry-cotter 13y ago
Yanukovych was elected, not imposed. Remember, the current government is the product of a victory of a mob, not an election. The US and EU money men had a "powersharing" agreement set up and then some very, very brave young men won a pitched battle against riot police backed up by heavy weaponry. But probably the real reason the protestors/rioters won was that many of the police went over. And that probably happened because an Interior Ministry armory in Lviv was captured by the rebels. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/europe/as-his-fortunes-fell-in-ukraine-a-president-clung-to-illusions.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/europe/as-his-fortun... Just remember, Yanukovych was elected, after the Orange Revolution. 80/20 is a large enough difference that they would have just gone for the EU. Obvious propaganda.
- nl 13y ago
  This. Also the split is geographic. The protests are mostly in Kiev, which is in the pro-EU area. A split in the country is a real possibility.
krick 13y ago
Obviously it's a rough description of the East Ukraine/West Ukraine relationship. I'd say that neither 50/50 nor 20/80 numbers are true. This is more complicated than that. Many people involved do not really think in terms of markets. Many of them just had that EU thing like a dream, because their reality is less than they could wish for and Europe is something cool and shiny, so they supported the protest, even if only passively. Back then they probably were in the dominance. Most of currently active participants weren't part of that from the start, but joined the revolution only when it actually looked more or less like revolution. Like beating the cops and all that stuff. It's not like they are "most of the whole country". So, when stuff got real, like war menace, no police in Kiev so some people go wild and abuse others because they are stronger and all these things — opinions tend to change. Right now many people I've talked to don't really care about political stuff, they just feel they have some problems coming. They don't really care about western or eastern markets, they care about being well and ok. Some just go to they work everyday and hope that it will be ok, some just run from the country (to Russia, for example). So now it would probably be only for the best if Russia holds Crimea and stuff and no real combats coming. They even have excuses for doing so. I'm more worried about if that interests of other major countries (USA, major EU participants) are strong enough to intervene.

barry-cotter 13y ago

Yanukovych was elected, not imposed. Remember, the current government is the product of a victory of a mob, not an election. The US and EU money men had a "powersharing" agreement set up and then some very, very brave young men won a pitched battle against riot police backed up by heavy weaponry. But probably the real reason the protestors/rioters won was that many of the police went over. And that probably happened because an Interior Ministry armory in Lviv was captured by the rebels. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/europe/as-his-fortunes-fell-in-ukraine-a-president-clung-to-illusions.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/europe/as-his-fortun... Just remember, Yanukovych was elected, after the Orange Revolution. 80/20 is a large enough difference that they would have just gone for the EU. Obvious propaganda.

nl 13y ago
This. Also the split is geographic. The protests are mostly in Kiev, which is in the pro-EU area. A split in the country is a real possibility.

krick 13y ago

Obviously it's a rough description of the East Ukraine/West Ukraine relationship. I'd say that neither 50/50 nor 20/80 numbers are true. This is more complicated than that. Many people involved do not really think in terms of markets. Many of them just had that EU thing like a dream, because their reality is less than they could wish for and Europe is something cool and shiny, so they supported the protest, even if only passively. Back then they probably were in the dominance. Most of currently active participants weren't part of that from the start, but joined the revolution only when it actually looked more or less like revolution. Like beating the cops and all that stuff. It's not like they are "most of the whole country". So, when stuff got real, like war menace, no police in Kiev so some people go wild and abuse others because they are stronger and all these things — opinions tend to change. Right now many people I've talked to don't really care about political stuff, they just feel they have some problems coming. They don't really care about western or eastern markets, they care about being well and ok. Some just go to they work everyday and hope that it will be ok, some just run from the country (to Russia, for example). So now it would probably be only for the best if Russia holds Crimea and stuff and no real combats coming. They even have excuses for doing so. I'm more worried about if that interests of other major countries (USA, major EU participants) are strong enough to intervene.