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Half the country wants to be part of Russia's Economic market and the other half want to be part of the EU economic market. Are either markets in a position to
by Zenst 13y ago
Half the country wants to be part of Russia's Economic market and the other half want to be part of the EU economic market.
Are either markets in a position to take on Ukraine in the state it is in, who knows fully.
Russia also have a vested interest in parts of the Ukraine and the EU has none, beyond growing the members list realestate wise. The part of the country Russia has a vested interest is also the part that wants to be apart of the Russian market, so whilst democracy does play a part it does get down to a yes or no type approach in choice. Which is perhaps the real issue in how it is applied and for Ukraine I can see the country splitting into two, appeaseing both mindsets with regards to economic market.
I just hope Ukraine has a say and allows the logicle approach that appeases the people in a way that could appease both and place the country into a unique position which would enable it to gain from the Russian and the EU market. But sadly other contries will want to show face, even if not effected and this may cause esculation and force Ukraine into a position that blinds it from looking at all options and what might be the best choice and a slice of each cake. But it would be nice if that chocie was enabled. We have Russia standing by the Russian market embracing and the EU and USA in effect behind the rest.
Either way, if the pissfest by the World leaders progresses then Ukraine will be sadly left out of debating what happens in its own country, nomatter what the people want and when it is near a 50/50 split then maybe that would be better way on many levels and keep all happy. But if done wrongly then it will be East/West Germany and a step back in progress in diplomacy for many years.
Still, however you feel, it is one news item that will rollon for a while. Heck if Scotland can vote for independance the maybe part of Ukrain needs to be allowed the same and save many milatary operations. Though not seen any World leader suggest that avenue of progress as some seem stuck in the cold war mentality or at least there advisers are.
- hartator 13y agoThey can be part of both markets. The only problem is corruption, not markets. Ukraine's revolution was against corruption, human rights, more democracy, EU is last. Russia wants just to protect the assets of the past governments. Money and corruption, they don't care about anything else.
- caf 13y agoNo, Russia cares about access to the Black Sea.
- toyg 13y agoAccess to the Black Sea and gas pipelines to Europe. Without those pipelines, the Russian economy would tank in a minute and the country would collapse back to the bad old '90s.
- Noxchi 13y agoThey have plenty of access to the black sea. 3/4 of the east side of it is on their side.
- caf 13y agoThe only decent port on Russian territory is Novorossiysk. That and Sevastopol are the the Russian Navy's only warm water ports.
- voidlogic 13y ago>Half the country wants to be part of Russia's Economic market and the other half want to be part of the EU economic market. Everything I have read indicates that its more of a 80/20 split. Where is this 50/50 number from?
- barry-cotter 13y agoYanukovych was elected, not imposed. Remember, the current government is the product of a victory of a mob, not an election. The US and EU money men had a "powersharing" agreement set up and then some very, very brave young men won a pitched battle against riot police backed up by heavy weaponry. But probably the real reason the protestors/rioters won was that many of the police went over. And that probably happened because an Interior Ministry armory in Lviv was captured by the rebels. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/europe/as-his-fortunes-fell-in-ukraine-a-president-clung-to-illusions.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/europe/as-his-fortun... Just remember, Yanukovych was elected, after the Orange Revolution. 80/20 is a large enough difference that they would have just gone for the EU. Obvious propaganda.
- nl 13y agoThis. Also the split is geographic. The protests are mostly in Kiev, which is in the pro-EU area. A split in the country is a real possibility.
- krick 13y agoObviously it's a rough description of the East Ukraine/West Ukraine relationship. I'd say that neither 50/50 nor 20/80 numbers are true. This is more complicated than that. Many people involved do not really think in terms of markets. Many of them just had that EU thing like a dream, because their reality is less than they could wish for and Europe is something cool and shiny, so they supported the protest, even if only passively. Back then they probably were in the dominance. Most of currently active participants weren't part of that from the start, but joined the revolution only when it actually looked more or less like revolution. Like beating the cops and all that stuff. It's not like they are "most of the whole country". So, when stuff got real, like war menace, no police in Kiev so some people go wild and abuse others because they are stronger and all these things — opinions tend to change. Right now many people I've talked to don't really care about political stuff, they just feel they have some problems coming. They don't really care about western or eastern markets, they care about being well and ok. Some just go to they work everyday and hope that it will be ok, some just run from the country (to Russia, for example). So now it would probably be only for the best if Russia holds Crimea and stuff and no real combats coming. They even have excuses for doing so. I'm more worried about if that interests of other major countries (USA, major EU participants) are strong enough to intervene.