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Citation needed. Name those advisors. Every country in teh world recognizes Crimea as being Ukraine. Russia has just announced its invading that.

lmg643 13y ago
Victoria Nuland, the woman who was caught on the leaked tape saying "F*ck the EU", essentially because the EU was not quite as enthusiastic about supporting further action, was the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland Obama has a lot of stuff he has to deal with on a daily basis - listening to the audio, it would make sense that she is calling the shots on a daily basis. you can hear her saying that she is going to arrange biden to give an "attaboy" which is basically "i need a guy in a leadership role to appear to bless this" not that biden is actually making any substantive decisions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o Her brother-in-law came up with Bush's "surge" strategy in 2007, her husband was a foreign policy advisor to mccain in 2008. i would guess that's not the full extent of their republican advisory work but that's all i found in a minute or two on wikipedia.
- ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
  So, you're left with one lowly ranking woman who you think is some mastermind of an evil cabal. "Her brother-in-law came up with Bush's "surge" strategy in 2007" TOTALLY irrelevant here. Logical fallacy violated. Non sequitor. EDIT: Seriously, you think Victoria Nuland, by herself, is pulling the strings of the American foreign policy?
  - lmg643 13y ago
    How is Victoria Nuland "low ranking"? You realize the title "secretary" does not mean they answer phones and schedule appointments? Here's the state department org chart. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/dos/99494.htm http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/dos/99494.htm The assistant secretary position she holds is responsible for that area, and two links below the secretary of state.
iaskwhy 13y ago
It might be worth noting that Crimea is actually the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. They have their own government, etc. They are still under the Ukraine umbrella, sure.
firstOrder 13y ago
The Crimea was part of Russia until 1954. there is a very large Russian military base there. In 1992 the Ukrainian government ceded that the Crimea was almost completely autonomous of Ukraine. How is Russia invading when it already has a massive military base there, in the Crimea, which was Russian until 1954?
- ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
  Crimea is legally, according to international law and recognized by everyone but Russia, part of Ukraine. You mean Crimea was part of the RSFSR until 1954, not the Russian Federation.
  - afterburner 13y ago
    Being legalistic in this circumstance ignores what Crimea means to Russia, and how the majority of Crimea is ethnically Russian. The background of the region matters for realizing how much Russia cares about Crimea, and therefore how to deal with it in this situation.
    - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
      Okay, if you're willing to throw the law and legalities aside, then...you're nothing more than a thug, and/or an apologist for them.
      - afterburner 13y ago
        No, I'm being realistic about what it means to push Russia on this point. They're serious about Crimea, handling this well will require consideration. The law matters, yes. And so does how Russia feels about Crimea. Both need to be considered.
        smsm42 13y ago
        Japanese feel strongly about Kunashir too. But you don't see them sending in the military. I think thuggish behavior means you should consider their feelings less, not more. Get the military out, then talk about feelings.

lmg643 13y ago

Victoria Nuland, the woman who was caught on the leaked tape saying "F*ck the EU", essentially because the EU was not quite as enthusiastic about supporting further action, was the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland Obama has a lot of stuff he has to deal with on a daily basis - listening to the audio, it would make sense that she is calling the shots on a daily basis. you can hear her saying that she is going to arrange biden to give an "attaboy" which is basically "i need a guy in a leadership role to appear to bless this" not that biden is actually making any substantive decisions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o Her brother-in-law came up with Bush's "surge" strategy in 2007, her husband was a foreign policy advisor to mccain in 2008. i would guess that's not the full extent of their republican advisory work but that's all i found in a minute or two on wikipedia.

ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
So, you're left with one lowly ranking woman who you think is some mastermind of an evil cabal. "Her brother-in-law came up with Bush's "surge" strategy in 2007" TOTALLY irrelevant here. Logical fallacy violated. Non sequitor. EDIT: Seriously, you think Victoria Nuland, by herself, is pulling the strings of the American foreign policy?
- lmg643 13y ago
  How is Victoria Nuland "low ranking"? You realize the title "secretary" does not mean they answer phones and schedule appointments? Here's the state department org chart. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/dos/99494.htm http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/dos/99494.htm The assistant secretary position she holds is responsible for that area, and two links below the secretary of state.

iaskwhy 13y ago

It might be worth noting that Crimea is actually the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. They have their own government, etc. They are still under the Ukraine umbrella, sure.

firstOrder 13y ago

The Crimea was part of Russia until 1954. there is a very large Russian military base there. In 1992 the Ukrainian government ceded that the Crimea was almost completely autonomous of Ukraine. How is Russia invading when it already has a massive military base there, in the Crimea, which was Russian until 1954?

ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
Crimea is legally, according to international law and recognized by everyone but Russia, part of Ukraine. You mean Crimea was part of the RSFSR until 1954, not the Russian Federation.
- afterburner 13y ago
  Being legalistic in this circumstance ignores what Crimea means to Russia, and how the majority of Crimea is ethnically Russian. The background of the region matters for realizing how much Russia cares about Crimea, and therefore how to deal with it in this situation.
  - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
    Okay, if you're willing to throw the law and legalities aside, then...you're nothing more than a thug, and/or an apologist for them.
    - afterburner 13y ago
      No, I'm being realistic about what it means to push Russia on this point. They're serious about Crimea, handling this well will require consideration. The law matters, yes. And so does how Russia feels about Crimea. Both need to be considered.
      - smsm42 13y ago
        Japanese feel strongly about Kunashir too. But you don't see them sending in the military. I think thuggish behavior means you should consider their feelings less, not more. Get the military out, then talk about feelings.