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It would be interesting to discuss how Ukraine got into this kind of situation ([1] [2]) and what are the "natural" consequences of it. Somehow it feels we are

It would be interesting to discuss how Ukraine got into this kind of situation ([1] [2]) and what are the "natural" consequences of it. Somehow it feels we are not dealing with a single country anymore. [1] http://i.imgur.com/1iiXqHN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1iiXqHN.jpg [2] http://i.imgur.com/eNo56LZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/eNo56LZ.jpg

rangibaby 13y ago
Crimea is "Russian", it was granted from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR by Khrushchev in the 50s. It's interesting that the situation is playing out pretty much according to this blog post: http://cluborlov.blogspot.jp/2014/02/shock-over-ukraine.html http://cluborlov.blogspot.jp/2014/02/shock-over-ukraine.html "Most of them don't even know what it is they are protesting, but, in essence, they are protesting the very existence of their country, which is made up of two parts: Eastern Poland, which is Ukrainian-speaking and predominantly Catholic, and Western Russia, which is Russian-speaking and predominantly Orthodox. The “Russians” outnumber the “Ukrainians” two to one. The ultimate resolution to the crisis lies in partitioning the country. Nobody has the stomach to even talk about it—yet. But until that happens we will continue being subjected to this strange spectacle, where every single actor in Ukraine does everything possible to undermine the country's political system. Deep down, the Ukrainians don't want there to be a different government in Kiev—they don't want there to be a government in Kiev at all."
- ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
  Ukraine has never been controlled by the government of the Russian Federation.
- afterburner 13y ago
  I agree separation seems to be the elephant in the room, but ignoring the separate Ukrainian language is somewhat oversimplifying. If the language spoken in Kiev was Polish, then maybe you'd have a case about the Poland bit.
  - rangibaby 13y ago
    What I grokked from the quote is Poland as in catholic and more culturally European, not literally Polish.

rangibaby 13y ago

Crimea is "Russian", it was granted from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR by Khrushchev in the 50s. It's interesting that the situation is playing out pretty much according to this blog post: http://cluborlov.blogspot.jp/2014/02/shock-over-ukraine.html http://cluborlov.blogspot.jp/2014/02/shock-over-ukraine.html "Most of them don't even know what it is they are protesting, but, in essence, they are protesting the very existence of their country, which is made up of two parts: Eastern Poland, which is Ukrainian-speaking and predominantly Catholic, and Western Russia, which is Russian-speaking and predominantly Orthodox. The “Russians” outnumber the “Ukrainians” two to one. The ultimate resolution to the crisis lies in partitioning the country. Nobody has the stomach to even talk about it—yet. But until that happens we will continue being subjected to this strange spectacle, where every single actor in Ukraine does everything possible to undermine the country's political system. Deep down, the Ukrainians don't want there to be a different government in Kiev—they don't want there to be a government in Kiev at all."

ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
Ukraine has never been controlled by the government of the Russian Federation.
afterburner 13y ago
I agree separation seems to be the elephant in the room, but ignoring the separate Ukrainian language is somewhat oversimplifying. If the language spoken in Kiev was Polish, then maybe you'd have a case about the Poland bit.
- rangibaby 13y ago
  What I grokked from the quote is Poland as in catholic and more culturally European, not literally Polish.