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True on the sales point. And it's getting harder and harder to find coders who want to spend all their time writing perl, as great as it is. That makes it tough

True on the sales point. And it's getting harder and harder to find coders who want to spend all their time writing perl, as great as it is. That makes it tough for enterprises to maintain perl codebases. Also, more CPAN libraries seem to be in a state of atrophy these days and I think the long-looming specter of perl 6 has had a depressing effect on that community. The post talks about Moose, which is a behemoth with huge and varied dependencies and must be be tougher to maintain these days. Every time I've tried to write a project in Moose, I've regretted it in the long run. However, I've written plenty of big, enterprise-class projects in perl instead of buying them from major vendors. Over the years, we were almost always able to beat the value proposition of Big Software precisely because we had a solid team of perl coders.

mst 13y ago
The spectre of perl6 stopped bothering us about 2006; CPAN uploads have been up every year since. If you find Moose too many dependencies, try Moo.
- bashcoder 13y ago
  > The spectre of perl6 stopped bothering us about 2006 From a practical usage standpoint, sure. But wouldn't you agree that an effective major version freeze has had a chilling effect on the progression of the language? I'd argue it's had a deleterious effect to varying degrees, even since 2006. It's not enough for a community to be not bothered. They need to be energized, and it's tough to make the argument that the perl6 snafu has been helpful to the perl movement. > CPAN uploads have been up every year since. CPAN traffic was down over 10% last year, according to Alexa. In fact, many perl popularity metrics were down at least 10% in 2013. [0] My experience, admittedly anecdotal, is that CPAN packages in general are not maintained with the same vigor as in years past. But why would they be, if people are moving their focus to other languages? Regarding Moo, thanks - I'll definitely have a look. [0] http://szabgab.com/the-popularity-of-perl-in-2013.html http://szabgab.com/the-popularity-of-perl-in-2013.html
  - mst 13y ago
    > They need to be energized 2006 is when the energy around perl5 / new wave of cpan development became palpable to me. Have a look at Task::Kensho - you'll find a fair chunk of the stuff mentioned in there originates from 2006-2009 or so (and has been actively developed since). > My experience, admittedly anecdotal, is that CPAN packages in general are not maintained with the same vigor as in years past. But why would they be, if people are moving their focus to other languages? That or the CPAN packages you've been using have been superceded but you've not found the replacement. We're fairly terrible as a community at communicating when that happens.
- Pacabel 13y ago
  Don't underestimate the effect that the Perl 6 disaster has had on the reputation of Perl as a whole, even if Perl 6 is a rather different language in many ways, and generally promoted by a separate community. Even if the Perl 5 community has generally admitted that Perl 6 was a failure and has moved on, a lot of people first think about how disastrous Perl 6 was well before they think about anything positive involving Perl 5.

mst 13y ago

The spectre of perl6 stopped bothering us about 2006; CPAN uploads have been up every year since. If you find Moose too many dependencies, try Moo.

bashcoder 13y ago
> The spectre of perl6 stopped bothering us about 2006 From a practical usage standpoint, sure. But wouldn't you agree that an effective major version freeze has had a chilling effect on the progression of the language? I'd argue it's had a deleterious effect to varying degrees, even since 2006. It's not enough for a community to be not bothered. They need to be energized, and it's tough to make the argument that the perl6 snafu has been helpful to the perl movement. > CPAN uploads have been up every year since. CPAN traffic was down over 10% last year, according to Alexa. In fact, many perl popularity metrics were down at least 10% in 2013. [0] My experience, admittedly anecdotal, is that CPAN packages in general are not maintained with the same vigor as in years past. But why would they be, if people are moving their focus to other languages? Regarding Moo, thanks - I'll definitely have a look. [0] http://szabgab.com/the-popularity-of-perl-in-2013.html http://szabgab.com/the-popularity-of-perl-in-2013.html
- mst 13y ago
  > They need to be energized 2006 is when the energy around perl5 / new wave of cpan development became palpable to me. Have a look at Task::Kensho - you'll find a fair chunk of the stuff mentioned in there originates from 2006-2009 or so (and has been actively developed since). > My experience, admittedly anecdotal, is that CPAN packages in general are not maintained with the same vigor as in years past. But why would they be, if people are moving their focus to other languages? That or the CPAN packages you've been using have been superceded but you've not found the replacement. We're fairly terrible as a community at communicating when that happens.
Pacabel 13y ago
Don't underestimate the effect that the Perl 6 disaster has had on the reputation of Perl as a whole, even if Perl 6 is a rather different language in many ways, and generally promoted by a separate community. Even if the Perl 5 community has generally admitted that Perl 6 was a failure and has moved on, a lot of people first think about how disastrous Perl 6 was well before they think about anything positive involving Perl 5.