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DanBC has the better comment (currently below this one) - I'm not qualified to respond, but it deserves one. Upvote him. I just wanted to point out that (from

by spenvo 13y ago

DanBC has the better comment (currently below this one) - I'm not qualified to respond, but it deserves one. Upvote him. I just wanted to point out that (from their mobile sites) I couldn't find a single story about this on CNN, FoxNews or MSNBC. (4:36pm CST) Last time I made a fuss about the media I had Godwin's law and Occam's Razor cited in replies/counters as why bias in the press is purely organic in nature. As this story has 1800+ comments on the Guardian, reached the top of Reddit (before it was removed) and is here at the top of HN, I would say that the fact that there is barely (or 'no') coverage of this story points to an invisible hand. To clarify: I didn't say "reporting" I said "coverage." To not milk what is the most sensational story of the year is against the very link-baity nature of these companies. While I don't watch cable news - I might be VERY wrong in that arena, but something tells me I'm not. I can't attempt to understand the forces at play, but they are there. In other related (under-covered) news: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/24/what-was-fcc-newsroom-survey-really-about/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/24/what-was-fcc-news...

pyre 13y ago
> points to an invisible hand Or that the average US citizen (the market for those news corps) doesn't give jack shit about it (not that this is a good thing). Netizens and UK citizens don't factor into the equation for these companies.
- spenvo 13y ago
  That's the simpler explanation, but Occam's Razor is a thin reed to lean on, because simpler doesn't equate to correctness. Let's inspect: "the US market doesn't give jack shit". But how would we know? The media hasn't even tried. I imagine this would piss me off if I were a Rachael-Maddow-watching soccer mom. Show anchors are hired for their ability to work up their viewers. Taking pics of me in my underwear is a softball. Notice rasz_pl's comment below -- any producer worth a damn sees the potential in this scandal. So why is Brian Williams not leading off with it on the Nightly News as he did with the snoopware-webcam story from over a year ago? Who the fuck can tell me that? Open your fucking eyes man, and start asking your own questions. As for "this only pertains to UK citizens" - this program wasn't limited to the UK. In many ways, the UK spying on the US is more sensational. Furthermore, the NSA and GCHQ have blurred the lines between jurisdictions. As for "only netizens would care" -- most people use the Internet. Yahoo is an everyman portal. This is an egregious invasion of privacy. Who cares if you're a netizen on this story? The story's content is not to blame either; general viewership can be enraged about esoteric things too (a great ex. the "bridge to nowhere" - just think about it). The US would care if the baby-boomer/mainstream media tried to cover it, at all.
  - aaren 13y ago
    The US would care if the baby-boomer/mainstream media tried, at all. Exactly this. Making people care about an issue is entirely a question of narrative. They aren't even narrating this story.
- rasz_pl 13y ago
  They cared when it was school doing it on students laptops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_... But now somehow dont care when 2mil Yahoo users are the target? Bitch please.
spenvo 13y ago
Still no mention on any of the "big three" websites, mobile or desktop (8:20pm CST). . Update: now FoxNews.com has a small link in top stories. http://imgur.com/CwLet0Z http://imgur.com/CwLet0Z (8:31pm CST) Hurray American media, only 9 hours after the fact! Fizzle... Here's an eloquent description on Reddit of how this could be the largest case of child pornography distribution on record: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1z33wx/uk_spy_agency_intercepted_webcam_images_of/cfqabxw http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1z33wx/uk_spy_age... We must make it our business that heads roll. Troll call-in shows of our (US) cable media--ask them why they aren't giving it its weight. Despite it being the GCHQ (not the NSA), this seems like the greatest evidence given to reformists to date of the overreaching post 9-11 mandates. And it's the unspoken duty of journalists to cover important stories and inform the tens of millions that don't check Reddit, HN, the Guardian, (believe it or not, the Drudge Report), etc.
tzs 13y ago
> I just wanted to point out that (from their mobile sites) I couldn't find a single story about this on CNN, FoxNews or MSNBC. (4:36pm CST) At the time of your post, CNN and MSNBC had it. Fox got it around the time of your post. You probably missed it because it is common for major news organizations, both inside the US and those outside, to actually maintain separate views of the news for their domestic visitors and their international visitors. The domestic view assumes that you are interested in mostly domestic news, and only want to see the top international stories. The international view assumes that you are interested mostly in world news, and only want to see the top domestic stories.
glasz 13y ago
come on kids. media is embedded. it's called "operation mockingbird".

by spenvo 13y ago

pyre 13y ago

> points to an invisible hand Or that the average US citizen (the market for those news corps) doesn't give jack shit about it (not that this is a good thing). Netizens and UK citizens don't factor into the equation for these companies.

spenvo 13y ago
That's the simpler explanation, but Occam's Razor is a thin reed to lean on, because simpler doesn't equate to correctness. Let's inspect: "the US market doesn't give jack shit". But how would we know? The media hasn't even tried. I imagine this would piss me off if I were a Rachael-Maddow-watching soccer mom. Show anchors are hired for their ability to work up their viewers. Taking pics of me in my underwear is a softball. Notice rasz_pl's comment below -- any producer worth a damn sees the potential in this scandal. So why is Brian Williams not leading off with it on the Nightly News as he did with the snoopware-webcam story from over a year ago? Who the fuck can tell me that? Open your fucking eyes man, and start asking your own questions. As for "this only pertains to UK citizens" - this program wasn't limited to the UK. In many ways, the UK spying on the US is more sensational. Furthermore, the NSA and GCHQ have blurred the lines between jurisdictions. As for "only netizens would care" -- most people use the Internet. Yahoo is an everyman portal. This is an egregious invasion of privacy. Who cares if you're a netizen on this story? The story's content is not to blame either; general viewership can be enraged about esoteric things too (a great ex. the "bridge to nowhere" - just think about it). The US would care if the baby-boomer/mainstream media tried to cover it, at all.
- aaren 13y ago
  The US would care if the baby-boomer/mainstream media tried, at all. Exactly this. Making people care about an issue is entirely a question of narrative. They aren't even narrating this story.
rasz_pl 13y ago
They cared when it was school doing it on students laptops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_... But now somehow dont care when 2mil Yahoo users are the target? Bitch please.

spenvo 13y ago

Still no mention on any of the "big three" websites, mobile or desktop (8:20pm CST). . Update: now FoxNews.com has a small link in top stories. http://imgur.com/CwLet0Z http://imgur.com/CwLet0Z (8:31pm CST) Hurray American media, only 9 hours after the fact! Fizzle... Here's an eloquent description on Reddit of how this could be the largest case of child pornography distribution on record: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1z33wx/uk_spy_agency_intercepted_webcam_images_of/cfqabxw http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1z33wx/uk_spy_age... We must make it our business that heads roll. Troll call-in shows of our (US) cable media--ask them why they aren't giving it its weight. Despite it being the GCHQ (not the NSA), this seems like the greatest evidence given to reformists to date of the overreaching post 9-11 mandates. And it's the unspoken duty of journalists to cover important stories and inform the tens of millions that don't check Reddit, HN, the Guardian, (believe it or not, the Drudge Report), etc.

tzs 13y ago

> I just wanted to point out that (from their mobile sites) I couldn't find a single story about this on CNN, FoxNews or MSNBC. (4:36pm CST) At the time of your post, CNN and MSNBC had it. Fox got it around the time of your post. You probably missed it because it is common for major news organizations, both inside the US and those outside, to actually maintain separate views of the news for their domestic visitors and their international visitors. The domestic view assumes that you are interested in mostly domestic news, and only want to see the top international stories. The international view assumes that you are interested mostly in world news, and only want to see the top domestic stories.

glasz 13y ago

come on kids. media is embedded. it's called "operation mockingbird".