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Hi, this is Romeo Stevens, cofounder of MealSquares. We’re really interested in feedback. Since Soylent is a similar product in our space, I wanted to discuss
by nazgulnarsil 13y ago
Hi, this is Romeo Stevens, cofounder of MealSquares. We’re really interested in feedback.
Since Soylent is a similar product in our space, I wanted to discuss some points made by Rob Rhinehart in his post "The Fallacy of Whole Foods": http://robrhinehart.com/?p=874 http://robrhinehart.com/?p=874
Rob likes to compare Soylent to medical meal replacements. But medical meal replacements have taken a long time to mature. For example, it took a while for professional nutritionists to realize maybe they shouldn’t pump newborns full of soybean oil [1]. This may sound silly today, but that was the best nutritionists could do based on the science available to them. And that's the problem I see artificially constructed meal replacements running in to--if you do the best you can based on the science available, that still may not be enough.
Different forms of the same nutrient do seem to affect the body differently. We see negative health outcomes from substances such as beta-carotene, vitamin E, and folic acid in supplemental form [2], while high levels in whole foods demonstrate no such harms. So bioavailability is complicated, and for whatever reason whole foods seem to have consistently healthier profiles than supplements.
Many examples of strong nutrient synergy have been discovered. Vitamin D and calcium, vitamin C and iron, the fat soluble vitamins and dietary fat are some of the most well established. It seems likely that we've still got more to discover. Rob himself seems to acknowledge this in his inclusion of many non-essential nutrients like lycopene.
Even given these points, we don’t consider Soylent a bad thing. Rob is right, the average diet is terrible, and anything that improves on that is great. We know MealSquares aren’t perfect. Nutrition science has come up with no substitute for regularly eating fish for example; supplements don’t cut it [3]. But including MealSquares in your diet means you are getting a solid dose of healthy, nutrient dense foods from a variety of sources. We don't think nutrition is settled science, and we look forward to becoming a multi-billion dollar corporation so we can improve the state of knowledge with our research department. :P
On the topic of longevity in general, you can read some of my research here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/jrt/lifestyle_interventions_that_affect_longevity/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/jrt/lifestyle_interventions_that_aff....
[1] http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130814101429.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130814101429.ht...
[2] http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=205797 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=205797
[3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12848287 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12848287
- kenrikm 13y agoHi Romeo, something to keep in mind. Most "Meal replacement" type bars (cliff, power bar) etc.. are super sweet, lots of sugar. I'm actually not a fan of sugar in general and would love an alternative that is more neutral or even on the salty side. I see on your site what look like chocolate chip cookie chunks and that turns me off. Maybe you can come up with something that has flavor but is not sweet?
- nazgulnarsil 13y agoYes, we ran into this complaint a lot when researching existing options. Our current beta version is very mild, so it's pleasant to eat a lot of it.
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- aashay 13y agoThis. Although I have a bit of a sweet tooth, for a meal replacement (as opposed to a treat) 25grams (two tablespoons) is quite a bit of sugar. The fiber might offset it a bit but finding a better balance between the two would make me more likely to buy the product.
- gb_ 13y agoThis stood out to me the most. 125g of sugar in a day's supply seems really high.
- freefrancisco 13y ago+1 to this. I would be very much in the market for meal replacements like MealSquares or Soylent, but they both have lots of sugar and carbs. I try to follow a paleo diet, I don't always succeed at following it closely, but the most important thing that I try to do is avoid sugar, sugar substitutes, and artificial sweeteners, and second I try to avoid carbs from grains. This pretty much means that I have to buy free range eggs, grass fed beef, grass fed butter, and make my own meals, or I have to eat at restaurants, but buying meal replacements is out of the question. There is nothing out there yet that eliminates sweeteners and carbs. I know that there are people who want the carbs and the sugar, so here is a suggestion. Why not refactor the current MealSquare into two parts, one that is salty and paleo, and one that is vegan and low fat? That way people who like them as they are now can eat one of each and get the same result, but those of us who are paleo can get the sugar/grain free square separately, and people who are vegan can get the animal free square separately as well.