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The explanation given to me was: it is possible to discriminate between students from different parts of an individual member state but not to discriminate agai

The explanation given to me was: it is possible to discriminate between students from different parts of an individual member state but not to discriminate against those from other parts of the EU.

vrikis 13y ago
Exactly that, plus Scots going to study in England had to pay their fees. As a side note though, if Scotland becomes independent when voted later on this year, then "Thousands of English, Welsh and Northern Irish students will study at Scottish universities for free" [1] [1]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/1020373/English-students-could-get-free-tuition-at-Scottish-universities.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/102...
- rahimnathwani 13y ago
  if Scotland becomes independent ... "... English, Welsh and Northern Irish students will study at Scottish universities for free..." This assumes that an independent Scotland would be a member of the EU, which is far from certain: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/impossible-for-scotland-to-join-eu-says-barroso-1-3308359 http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/impossible...
  - arethuza 13y ago
    If Scotland leaves the UK then there isn't a UK anymore - so why would England, Wales and NI still be in the EU? :-) i.e. If a country splits into two parts surely you have two new countries.
  - vrikis 13y ago
    > “So it is to some extent a similar case because it’s a new country and so I believe it’s going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, a new member state coming out of one of our countries getting the agreement of the others.” See this is where everything just gets confusing... Scotland already IS a country by itself, as is England, NI, and Wales, so if Scotland were to become independent, it would in no way be a "new" country, would it? mhhhh, my head hurts.
    - rahimnathwani 13y ago
      Is Scotland really a country, in the sense that we usually understand the word?
      - vrikis 13y ago
        It's difficult to answer, but I'd say yes. It doesn't in the sense that Scotland (nor does England, NI, Wales) have its own embassy in other countries, etc. All members of the United Kingdom are tightly integrated (e.g. Scotland doesn't issue money, but privately held banks-e.g. Bank of Scotland-do print money on behalf of central government) so it's really difficult to say but for the most part, it's more of its own country than now, I'd say.
        rahimnathwani 13y ago
        There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what makes a country (aka "Nation State"). However, there are a few clues: - Issues its own currency - Recognised as a sovereign state by other countries - Taxes its people - Issues passports and polices its borders The UK does all of these. As far as I'm aware Scotland does at most 1 of them. A couple of other notes: - Privately-held banks don't print money on behalf central government. Those 'Bank of Scotland' notes bear a promise (obligation) made by the Bank of Scotland, and not by any government. - That England, NI, Wales don't have their own embassy in other countries is irrelevant. I'm not arguing that they are countries. it's more of its own country than now, I'd say. Do you live in Scotland?
        vrikis 13y ago
        It's all very confusing then really... Scotland does issue its own money, but it's a shared currency (just the same as the Euro is a shared currency but countries that use the Euro issue their own). So would that count? Debatable. No country within the United Kingdom itself issues passports, so for example you cannot have an English passport. They are all British Citizens who hold British passports (which confusingly isn't a UK passport, but a passport for Great Britain and Northern Ireland). I'm really not sure how tax works in the UK. Scotland as well as other UK members all tax, but how that is then divided up internally, I have no idea... When you say the UK does all of these, that doesn't mean England, NI, or Wales does all of them itself. When I say they are printed on behalf of the government, I meant that the government decides how much money is printed. As far as I'm aware, Scottish banks who have the right to print money (e.g. Bank of Scotland) cannot simply print as much money as they would like. They're printing it on behalf of the governments guidelines etc. Confusingly though, Scottish printed money isn't even legal tender, not even in Scotland.

The explanation given to me was: it is possible to discriminate between students from different parts of an individual member state but not to discriminate against those from other parts of the EU.

vrikis 13y ago

Exactly that, plus Scots going to study in England had to pay their fees. As a side note though, if Scotland becomes independent when voted later on this year, then "Thousands of English, Welsh and Northern Irish students will study at Scottish universities for free" [1] [1]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/1020373/English-students-could-get-free-tuition-at-Scottish-universities.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/102...

rahimnathwani 13y ago
if Scotland becomes independent ... "... English, Welsh and Northern Irish students will study at Scottish universities for free..." This assumes that an independent Scotland would be a member of the EU, which is far from certain: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/impossible-for-scotland-to-join-eu-says-barroso-1-3308359 http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/impossible...
- arethuza 13y ago
  If Scotland leaves the UK then there isn't a UK anymore - so why would England, Wales and NI still be in the EU? :-) i.e. If a country splits into two parts surely you have two new countries.
- vrikis 13y ago
  > “So it is to some extent a similar case because it’s a new country and so I believe it’s going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, a new member state coming out of one of our countries getting the agreement of the others.” See this is where everything just gets confusing... Scotland already IS a country by itself, as is England, NI, and Wales, so if Scotland were to become independent, it would in no way be a "new" country, would it? mhhhh, my head hurts.
  - rahimnathwani 13y ago
    Is Scotland really a country, in the sense that we usually understand the word?
    - vrikis 13y ago
      It's difficult to answer, but I'd say yes. It doesn't in the sense that Scotland (nor does England, NI, Wales) have its own embassy in other countries, etc. All members of the United Kingdom are tightly integrated (e.g. Scotland doesn't issue money, but privately held banks-e.g. Bank of Scotland-do print money on behalf of central government) so it's really difficult to say but for the most part, it's more of its own country than now, I'd say.
      - rahimnathwani 13y ago
        There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what makes a country (aka "Nation State"). However, there are a few clues: - Issues its own currency - Recognised as a sovereign state by other countries - Taxes its people - Issues passports and polices its borders The UK does all of these. As far as I'm aware Scotland does at most 1 of them. A couple of other notes: - Privately-held banks don't print money on behalf central government. Those 'Bank of Scotland' notes bear a promise (obligation) made by the Bank of Scotland, and not by any government. - That England, NI, Wales don't have their own embassy in other countries is irrelevant. I'm not arguing that they are countries. it's more of its own country than now, I'd say. Do you live in Scotland?
        vrikis 13y ago
        It's all very confusing then really... Scotland does issue its own money, but it's a shared currency (just the same as the Euro is a shared currency but countries that use the Euro issue their own). So would that count? Debatable. No country within the United Kingdom itself issues passports, so for example you cannot have an English passport. They are all British Citizens who hold British passports (which confusingly isn't a UK passport, but a passport for Great Britain and Northern Ireland). I'm really not sure how tax works in the UK. Scotland as well as other UK members all tax, but how that is then divided up internally, I have no idea... When you say the UK does all of these, that doesn't mean England, NI, or Wales does all of them itself. When I say they are printed on behalf of the government, I meant that the government decides how much money is printed. As far as I'm aware, Scottish banks who have the right to print money (e.g. Bank of Scotland) cannot simply print as much money as they would like. They're printing it on behalf of the governments guidelines etc. Confusingly though, Scottish printed money isn't even legal tender, not even in Scotland.