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I am still so frustrated that Mono got lambasted for being a M$ trap. It was the biggest FUD I have ever read. Hope to see mono return to use in Linux community

by baldfat 13y ago

I am still so frustrated that Mono got lambasted for being a M$ trap. It was the biggest FUD I have ever read. Hope to see mono return to use in Linux community again.

nbevans 13y ago
Roslyn and the MS/Xamarin partnership suggest Mono will be benefiting in some big ways in the coming year.
- Guillaume86 13y ago
  I'm a lot less optimist, I think it will just focus Mono development on the mobile platforms (Xamarin on Android/iOS) but will do nothing good for desktop or server use.
- forgotAgain 13y ago
  How is that a reasonable conclusion? Microsoft has a new CEO. It's an unpredictable situation where anything could happen. Betting your business on perceived, not even openly stated, marketing suggestions at this time seems overly risky.
  - nbevans 13y ago
    So baking in Xamarin as a compile target in Visual Studio. Conciously changing their licensing terms of various BCL NuGet packages to allow their unrestricted use on Xamarin/Mono platforms... yeah, there's clearly no hints at all as to what they're up to. Read between the lines man.
rbanffy 13y ago
Why? The nix world never suffered from lack of decent languages, compilers, development tools, ecosystems and runtimes. The only benefit Mono gives nix users is to write software that's easy to run on Windows and that barely registers on most priority lists. It's been, IIRC, 6 years since I last wrote a "real" desktop app. I did it in C#, but Mono couldn't run it because it relied on Windows-only GUI components. Happily, it was never intended to be deployed on non-Windows environments and everyone was happy. If I needed to write a desktop application (that's so 90's) that runs identically on both Windows and Linux, I'll just write it in Java.
- pjmlp 13y ago
  Haven't you heard it? The mobile is the new desktop.
  - rbanffy 13y ago
    I wonder how much of the mobile market cross-platform toolkits have. I've used Titanium, but only for exceedingly simple apps. Anything else is done with the native tools. I know there are apps that require complex device-side logic but, most of the time (at least for me), almost all of the logic runs on a server and all that's left is user interface management.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >The nix world never suffered from lack of decent languages, compilers, development tools, ecosystems and runtimes. Well, it sort of did. Gnome, for one, could have used a much better language to facilitate faster development and modularity. The GObject stuff is archaic, and I was there for the Bonobo fiasco too.
- baldfat 13y ago
  Okay so we lost: Banshee (Media Player) Shotwell (Photo Manager) the programs were coming out quickly and looking great then FUD.
mands 13y ago
Agreed, it was disappointing. There were some trust issues surrounding Mono but also an excessive amount of hyperbole. A real shame, as Mono is great technology with good GTK bindings and integrated well with the GNOME system. I think having Mono as a first-class GNOME environment would have been interesting. I've spent the past week using Monodevelop and F# to develop compiler tools under Fedora and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Not to mention F# is well supported within IDE, almost equal to VS.

by baldfat 13y ago

I am still so frustrated that Mono got lambasted for being a M$ trap. It was the biggest FUD I have ever read. Hope to see mono return to use in Linux community again.

nbevans 13y ago

Roslyn and the MS/Xamarin partnership suggest Mono will be benefiting in some big ways in the coming year.

Guillaume86 13y ago
I'm a lot less optimist, I think it will just focus Mono development on the mobile platforms (Xamarin on Android/iOS) but will do nothing good for desktop or server use.
forgotAgain 13y ago
How is that a reasonable conclusion? Microsoft has a new CEO. It's an unpredictable situation where anything could happen. Betting your business on perceived, not even openly stated, marketing suggestions at this time seems overly risky.
- nbevans 13y ago
  So baking in Xamarin as a compile target in Visual Studio. Conciously changing their licensing terms of various BCL NuGet packages to allow their unrestricted use on Xamarin/Mono platforms... yeah, there's clearly no hints at all as to what they're up to. Read between the lines man.

rbanffy 13y ago

Why? The nix world never suffered from lack of decent languages, compilers, development tools, ecosystems and runtimes. The only benefit Mono gives nix users is to write software that's easy to run on Windows and that barely registers on most priority lists. It's been, IIRC, 6 years since I last wrote a "real" desktop app. I did it in C#, but Mono couldn't run it because it relied on Windows-only GUI components. Happily, it was never intended to be deployed on non-Windows environments and everyone was happy. If I needed to write a desktop application (that's so 90's) that runs identically on both Windows and Linux, I'll just write it in Java.

pjmlp 13y ago
Haven't you heard it? The mobile is the new desktop.
- rbanffy 13y ago
  I wonder how much of the mobile market cross-platform toolkits have. I've used Titanium, but only for exceedingly simple apps. Anything else is done with the native tools. I know there are apps that require complex device-side logic but, most of the time (at least for me), almost all of the logic runs on a server and all that's left is user interface management.
coldtea 13y ago
>The nix world never suffered from lack of decent languages, compilers, development tools, ecosystems and runtimes. Well, it sort of did. Gnome, for one, could have used a much better language to facilitate faster development and modularity. The GObject stuff is archaic, and I was there for the Bonobo fiasco too.
baldfat 13y ago
Okay so we lost: Banshee (Media Player) Shotwell (Photo Manager) the programs were coming out quickly and looking great then FUD.

mands 13y ago

Agreed, it was disappointing. There were some trust issues surrounding Mono but also an excessive amount of hyperbole. A real shame, as Mono is great technology with good GTK bindings and integrated well with the GNOME system. I think having Mono as a first-class GNOME environment would have been interesting. I've spent the past week using Monodevelop and F# to develop compiler tools under Fedora and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Not to mention F# is well supported within IDE, almost equal to VS.