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Met these this last week, they're absolutely incredible and they understand their market really well. They take privacy incredibly seriously and they've built a
by tomasien 13y ago
Met these this last week, they're absolutely incredible and they understand their market really well. They take privacy incredibly seriously and they've built a product that can change the industry.
- uptown 13y ago"They take privacy incredibly seriously" What does that even mean? They're tracking not only the number of people in a location, but where they go ... then sharing that with their customers. From their own website: Understand your business in the context of others: 1. Who you share customers with. 2. Where else your loyal customers love to go. 3. Where foot traffic in the city is trending. How is that respecting my privacy?
- jordanmessina 13y agoDefinitely understand your concerns. In the system you're an anonymous datapoint. The information can't be used to determine who a specific individual is.
- icebraining 13y ago"The real danger is the gradual erosion of individual liberties through the automation, integration, and interconnection of many small, separate record-keeping systems, each of which alone may seem innocuous, even benevolent, and wholly justifiable." — Personal Privacy in an Information Society U.S. Privacy Protection Study Commission, 1977 http://epic.org/privacy/ppsc1977report/ http://epic.org/privacy/ppsc1977report/ -- In your system, I'm just an anonymous flow of movements. In the shops billing system, I'm just a CC number and a set of purchases. For the billing provider, I'm just a name and address tied to a CC number. And then with a couple of small leaps, suddenly my whole life is compiled on a single page detailing every breath I take.
- uptown 13y agoSo if a shop signs up for the service, and on Monday morning they have one customer who comes into the shop and buys something ... then that customer goes to another shop and just browses. You'll likely have the name of the person because they paid by credit card. You'll also have the information that this customer went down the block to some other shop. And you'll know which customer it was because you only had one customer that day. So tell me again how I can't use this information to identify who a specific individual is.
- _derko 13y agoIt's not like the shop has information on individuals, they only have information on the total number and total flow. It would take a lot of collaboration with each and every store owner to be able to get to a point where they know exactly who you are.
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- patmcc 13y agoWill you provide real-time stats? Could I see that user A523498BD5352F is currently in my store, and what other stores they frequent? If it's only aggregated data after the fact, that alleviates some of the concerns.
- tomasien 13y agoThey don't do that
- tomasien 13y agoYou're just an anonymous datapoint in their system, and they've actually done a lot to make sure this always stays the case.
- thematt 13y agoThat's the NSA's rationale too. Except often times a collection of data points that are supposedly "anonymous" can eventually be correlated to a specific person.
- lloeki 13y agoDeanonymizing from location is possible. I'd rather be a data aggregate than a data point. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/anonymous-phone-location-data/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/anonymous-phone-loc...
- aleem 13y agoSounds like public-relations-101 speak. Same as big oil advertising green initiatives. They can counteract sentiment with PR but they can't change who they are: a company that tracks buyers without consent. "You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is." [1] [1] http://paulgraham.com/cornpone.html