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That people are still fighting this I just can't believe. How can the internet not be viewed as an essential utility in the modern world is just crazy to me.

by cdash 13y ago

btbuildem 13y ago
Because they profit from it.
anigbrowl 13y ago
Stupidity and greed. Many people arguing about this at the Wall Street Journal, for example, are convinced that there are no such things as broadband caps or QOS levels and that everyone who uses Netflix streaming is freeloading without paying for the bandwidth they use. In their mind companies like Netflix and people who argue for net neutrality are identified with welfare cheats and socialism. I wish I were making this up.
- espadrine 13y ago
  For the purpose of comparison, we have the same issue in France, although we do not have Netflix there. ISPs are slowing down Google services / Cogent / … and asking them to pay[1]. One went so far as to remove Youtube ads on-the-fly without telling (let alone asking) the consumers beforehand. And slowly, not limiting bandwidth becomes an argument for the customer to pay more, as well[2]. They are looking for a target to increase their revenue. Given the targets they pick, I'd say they're mostly driven by envy. [1]: http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/09/20/free-attaque-pour-les-ralentissements-de-youtube_1763130_651865.html http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/09/20/free-a... [2]: http://imgur.com/aHxjUOz http://imgur.com/aHxjUOz
  - tim333 13y ago
    I think link 2 shows an ad for unlimited youtube over 4G wireless and presumably is referring to unlimited data usage, which is a different thing to wired broadband. I think all countries have similar restrictions - I don't know anywhere where you get unlimited mobile data on the cheap deals.
  - lucideer 13y ago
    Both referenced links deal with mobile broadband specifically.
interstitial 13y ago
Let me tell you about vested interest, rent-seeking, and regulatory capture. Three things that should be taught in elementary school, but never will be, because public education has all three in spades as well.

That people are still fighting this I just can't believe. How can the internet not be viewed as an essential utility in the modern world is just crazy to me.

by cdash 13y ago

That people are still fighting this I just can't believe. How can the internet not be viewed as an essential utility in the modern world is just crazy to me.

btbuildem 13y ago

Because they profit from it.

anigbrowl 13y ago

Stupidity and greed. Many people arguing about this at the Wall Street Journal, for example, are convinced that there are no such things as broadband caps or QOS levels and that everyone who uses Netflix streaming is freeloading without paying for the bandwidth they use. In their mind companies like Netflix and people who argue for net neutrality are identified with welfare cheats and socialism. I wish I were making this up.

espadrine 13y ago
For the purpose of comparison, we have the same issue in France, although we do not have Netflix there. ISPs are slowing down Google services / Cogent / … and asking them to pay[1]. One went so far as to remove Youtube ads on-the-fly without telling (let alone asking) the consumers beforehand. And slowly, not limiting bandwidth becomes an argument for the customer to pay more, as well[2]. They are looking for a target to increase their revenue. Given the targets they pick, I'd say they're mostly driven by envy. [1]: http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/09/20/free-attaque-pour-les-ralentissements-de-youtube_1763130_651865.html http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/09/20/free-a... [2]: http://imgur.com/aHxjUOz http://imgur.com/aHxjUOz
- tim333 13y ago
  I think link 2 shows an ad for unlimited youtube over 4G wireless and presumably is referring to unlimited data usage, which is a different thing to wired broadband. I think all countries have similar restrictions - I don't know anywhere where you get unlimited mobile data on the cheap deals.
- lucideer 13y ago
  Both referenced links deal with mobile broadband specifically.

interstitial 13y ago

Let me tell you about vested interest, rent-seeking, and regulatory capture. Three things that should be taught in elementary school, but never will be, because public education has all three in spades as well.