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Great. It installs McAfee without asking. Fuck you, too, Adobe.

by SwellJoe 13y ago

aegiso 13y ago
We need a new word for this bullshit (though it's by no means a new phenomenon). Kafkaware?
- SwellJoe 13y ago
  I finally removed Java from all of my machines recently, when it had its most recent major security flaw, for the same reason, though at least Oracle has the decency to provide a checkbox you can uncheck (it is checked by default, however, which is bad enough). I guess the repeated security issues, and the fact that the only security exploit I've dealt with on any of my personal machines in a decade was due to Java about a year ago, also contributed to the anger and subsequent removal. I am on the verge of making the same choice for Flash. I think I've finally convinced YouTube to always serve me the HTML5 version of videos, anyway...not sure what else I'd lose. Might be worth a try. Especially since the worst advertising offenders (autoplay looping video ads with sound on at the bottom of the page) are always Flash. My web browsing experience would probably actually improve... Hmm...does Soundcloud use Flash?
  - oftenwrong 13y ago
    Soundcloud works without flash. I uninstalled flash a long time ago and I have no regrets. Youtube works fine with the addition of an extension that forces it to play in html5.
  - oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
    I had to check just now, because I had no firm idea (although, a suspicion), and I don't have flash installed. You won't miss it.
nissehulth 13y ago
There is a checkbox on the site before you start the download, but of course it is checked by default. It's like the Ask toolbar that Java wants to install on every update. "Hey, we have insecure products that people hate, let's add some more crap"
- SwellJoe 13y ago
  That's a dark pattern if ever I've seen one. It looks like an ad on the page, thus triggering my ad blindness.
  - reboog711 13y ago
    In all fairness, it is an ad. I've missed that specific checkbox a lot too..
nwh 13y ago
The new dark pattern I've been seeing in similar products is interesting too. An "accept/deny" flow that looks like a license agree window- of course everybody will just hit accept without reading it. Adobe doesn't do it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Great. It installs McAfee without asking. Fuck you, too, Adobe.

aegiso 13y ago

We need a new word for this bullshit (though it's by no means a new phenomenon). Kafkaware?

SwellJoe 13y ago
I finally removed Java from all of my machines recently, when it had its most recent major security flaw, for the same reason, though at least Oracle has the decency to provide a checkbox you can uncheck (it is checked by default, however, which is bad enough). I guess the repeated security issues, and the fact that the only security exploit I've dealt with on any of my personal machines in a decade was due to Java about a year ago, also contributed to the anger and subsequent removal. I am on the verge of making the same choice for Flash. I think I've finally convinced YouTube to always serve me the HTML5 version of videos, anyway...not sure what else I'd lose. Might be worth a try. Especially since the worst advertising offenders (autoplay looping video ads with sound on at the bottom of the page) are always Flash. My web browsing experience would probably actually improve... Hmm...does Soundcloud use Flash?
- oftenwrong 13y ago
  Soundcloud works without flash. I uninstalled flash a long time ago and I have no regrets. Youtube works fine with the addition of an extension that forces it to play in html5.
- oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
  I had to check just now, because I had no firm idea (although, a suspicion), and I don't have flash installed. You won't miss it.

nissehulth 13y ago

There is a checkbox on the site before you start the download, but of course it is checked by default. It's like the Ask toolbar that Java wants to install on every update. "Hey, we have insecure products that people hate, let's add some more crap"

SwellJoe 13y ago
That's a dark pattern if ever I've seen one. It looks like an ad on the page, thus triggering my ad blindness.
- reboog711 13y ago
  In all fairness, it is an ad. I've missed that specific checkbox a lot too..

nwh 13y ago

The new dark pattern I've been seeing in similar products is interesting too. An "accept/deny" flow that looks like a license agree window- of course everybody will just hit accept without reading it. Adobe doesn't do it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.