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> One of the things that defines San Francisco for me is its openness to change I'm shocked that you say that. My impression of SF today is almost the exact op

by raldi 13y ago

> One of the things that defines San Francisco for me is its openness to change I'm shocked that you say that. My impression of SF today is almost the exact opposite: that one of the most defining characteristics of the city's current population is its extraordinary resistance to change.

wpietri 13y ago
Could you say more about what you mean? And how you're getting that impression? I'm not following.
- raldi 13y ago
  Props B and C Discretionary Review CEQA abuse Nativism Height restrictions Bus protests U-Verse protests Articles about how the Mission is changing, and how that's a bad thing
  - wpietri 13y ago
    So your entire impression of San Francisco's history comes down to a few years of stuff related to the recent economic situation? You might want to expand your horizons a bit. Consider the beats, the hippies, the summer of love, the gay and lesbian rise, Burning Man, and the rise of cycling. And hey, the web. Having lunch in South Park with the Wired folks in 1997, I sure didn't notice any hostility from the neighbors. The obvious difference to me in these lists, beyond the time scale, is the use of power. That a ~$200 billion communications oligopoly gets a little pushback while trying to increase their market dominance is not something I'm going to shed a lot of tears over, and I don't think you can reasonably call it a smoking gun for generalized resistance to change.
    - raldi 13y ago
      > So your entire impression of San Francisco's history... My comment was quite clearly addressed at SF's current population, not previous ones. In fact, that's one of my major gripes with them: they benefited by riding a previous wave of change, but now that they're the status quo, they want to stop the next one. It's the classic, "I got mine, now slam the door" mentality.
      - wpietri 13y ago
        The current population is by and large the one that has been quite welcoming to the tech industry -- when we aren't totally jacking the rents up, flooding neighborhoods, and paying for the eviction of long-term residents. So again, I think you're overgeneralizing.

by raldi 13y ago

wpietri 13y ago

Could you say more about what you mean? And how you're getting that impression? I'm not following.

raldi 13y ago
Props B and C Discretionary Review CEQA abuse Nativism Height restrictions Bus protests U-Verse protests Articles about how the Mission is changing, and how that's a bad thing
- wpietri 13y ago
  So your entire impression of San Francisco's history comes down to a few years of stuff related to the recent economic situation? You might want to expand your horizons a bit. Consider the beats, the hippies, the summer of love, the gay and lesbian rise, Burning Man, and the rise of cycling. And hey, the web. Having lunch in South Park with the Wired folks in 1997, I sure didn't notice any hostility from the neighbors. The obvious difference to me in these lists, beyond the time scale, is the use of power. That a ~$200 billion communications oligopoly gets a little pushback while trying to increase their market dominance is not something I'm going to shed a lot of tears over, and I don't think you can reasonably call it a smoking gun for generalized resistance to change.
  - raldi 13y ago
    > So your entire impression of San Francisco's history... My comment was quite clearly addressed at SF's current population, not previous ones. In fact, that's one of my major gripes with them: they benefited by riding a previous wave of change, but now that they're the status quo, they want to stop the next one. It's the classic, "I got mine, now slam the door" mentality.
    - wpietri 13y ago
      The current population is by and large the one that has been quite welcoming to the tech industry -- when we aren't totally jacking the rents up, flooding neighborhoods, and paying for the eviction of long-term residents. So again, I think you're overgeneralizing.