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Why should anyone be subsidized to live in London? Let them live someplace cheap, or work to cover their expenses for living in an expensive place.

by pekk 13y ago

gaius 13y ago
I agree, but that isn't the "spirit" of basic income.
- ronaldx 13y ago
  I think it is in the spirit of basic income. Basic income allows people to better choose their own destiny. I can move from London to Wales, or move from Wales to London, knowing in both cases that I'll at least have a basic income to cover moving costs and minimum expenses while I set myself up. That nets me a different quality of life in each place, exactly as it should. Choosing to live in London means you share the resources with a much higher population density and take the (many) positive and negative consequences of that. You still need to work, but you have more freedom to negotiate; at least, you have gained a decent Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) - if things go horribly wrong you can still move to Wales :)
- dllthomas 13y ago
  I'm with Ronald here - I think that's very much in the spirit of basic income. Everyone has some resources available to them, and it's up to them how they spend it, but it's up to the market how much various things cost (including things like living in London).
jodrellblank 13y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Unit... Greater London, bigger than the next ~7 largest urban areas in the UK put together. A lot of infrastructure would need rebuilding if 10% of the UK population were going to quickly up and move to the remote hills and North Wales towns.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Which would mean jobs... but I don't think all of the unemployed need to move for it to be a worthwhile change. If people (with savings or familiar support) drop out of the workforce to pursue other interests (possibly still productive, like start-ups), that leaves more jobs free for those needing them to make ends meet on top of the BI.

Why should anyone be subsidized to live in London? Let them live someplace cheap, or work to cover their expenses for living in an expensive place.

by pekk 13y ago

Why should anyone be subsidized to live in London? Let them live someplace cheap, or work to cover their expenses for living in an expensive place.

gaius 13y ago

I agree, but that isn't the "spirit" of basic income.

ronaldx 13y ago
I think it is in the spirit of basic income. Basic income allows people to better choose their own destiny. I can move from London to Wales, or move from Wales to London, knowing in both cases that I'll at least have a basic income to cover moving costs and minimum expenses while I set myself up. That nets me a different quality of life in each place, exactly as it should. Choosing to live in London means you share the resources with a much higher population density and take the (many) positive and negative consequences of that. You still need to work, but you have more freedom to negotiate; at least, you have gained a decent Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) - if things go horribly wrong you can still move to Wales :)
dllthomas 13y ago
I'm with Ronald here - I think that's very much in the spirit of basic income. Everyone has some resources available to them, and it's up to them how they spend it, but it's up to the market how much various things cost (including things like living in London).

jodrellblank 13y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Unit... Greater London, bigger than the next ~7 largest urban areas in the UK put together. A lot of infrastructure would need rebuilding if 10% of the UK population were going to quickly up and move to the remote hills and North Wales towns.

dllthomas 13y ago
Which would mean jobs... but I don't think all of the unemployed need to move for it to be a worthwhile change. If people (with savings or familiar support) drop out of the workforce to pursue other interests (possibly still productive, like start-ups), that leaves more jobs free for those needing them to make ends meet on top of the BI.