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Sure, I understand. But why not make everyone happy, and give a choice? At least, for the small "little" tweaks that make everyone scream? There are plenty of

by Spittie 13y ago

Sure, I understand. But why not make everyone happy, and give a choice? At least, for the small "little" tweaks that make everyone scream? There are plenty of examples: globalmenu on/off, globalmenu hidden/showed by default, buttons on the left/right side of the window, size of the icons in the launcher, side of the screen on which the launcher appear, show the launcher on every screen or only the main one...

eklavya 13y ago
Did you even bother to read the announcement? They HAVE provided this exact choice.
- Spittie 13y ago
  Yes I have. No, they haven't. All you can do right now is to move the global menu from the "global" bar to the window bar. You can't still have it back to "default", like other operative systems, and you can't still have it being visible by default. And, by the way, this was just one small point of my post. Everything else still applies.
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    This is the same lamenting and strife that one could also apply to Apple. OSX is their way or the highway. If Ubuntu listens to the loudest community whiners the UI would be a terrible mess. If you don't like the default desktop: sudo apt-get install -y fluxbox, or whatever of the dozens of other WM's are out there that you like better. Problem solved.
  - eklavya 13y ago
    Ok, so default like which operating system, mac? windows? They are doing things differently, what's wrong with that? I like it and I use it, those who don't have plenty more DEs to choose from. By the way they do provide a way to change the size of the icons, since 12.04 at least.
  - Spittie 13y ago
    (Can't reply to yours comments res0nat0r and eklavya, hopefully this will do anyway). By default like the operative system with 90%+ of the marketshare - Windows. I'm not saying that they're doing it good, but 90%+ of the people using a computer expect it to act that way. I'm also not saying that it should be the default, just have a tiny little option somewhere (instead of forcing me to remove the appmenu* packages, which I know how to do it, but my parents sure don't). I'm also not sure why are you attacking me and telling me to install another DE - I have (In fact, I don't even use Ubuntu anymore, as I don't like apt-get and some other stuff). I'm just saying that they should add some options to make everyone happy. I have the same feeling towards Gnome shell, but at least this one has easy-to-install plugins.
    - eklavya 13y ago
      Hey :) nobody is attacking you. They have given you that option for menus now but if it's not enough there is always KDE(which I also use and love by the way ;) ) It goes both ways, they can't force you to use their stuff and you can't force them to do it your way. Let evolution take it's course, only good UIs will remain. For my parents I have installed Kubuntu, KDE always works and always has the features you need.
- Elhana 13y ago
  How can I move the menu bar under window title? I actually like to move windows by the title bar and not move my mouse over the whole screen to the global menu.
  - techwizrd 13y ago
    Even with the global menu, you can still move windows by the titlebar. Furthermore, you've always been able to move windows by dragging a window while holding the Alt key. You can also disable the global menu entirely by removing the appmenu-gtk, appmenu-gtk3, appmenu-qt, and indicator-appmenu packages. (This does break the HUD however)
dagw 13y ago
why not make everyone happy, and give a choice They've already given users several choices. They're called Kubuntu, Xubuntun and Lubuntu.
- johnchristopher 13y ago
  Parent is not debating DE options. Parent is talking about specific options for a specific DE.
  - techwizrd 13y ago
    It takes a great deal of effort to provide a configurable option and acceptable configuration UI for every single option in a DE. It also greatly increases the number of custom configuration combinations and the testing required. It's not a zero-cost option at all.
- blueblob 13y ago
  I think it's time for a Gubunto that uses GNOME instead of Unity. :-)
  - catinsocks 13y ago
    Ubuntu Gnome is that choice now http://ubuntugnome.org/ http://ubuntugnome.org/
  - gcb0 13y ago
    or, you know, use debian.
    - blueblob 13y ago
      I actually use Arch although I do like Debian too.

by Spittie 13y ago

eklavya 13y ago

Did you even bother to read the announcement? They HAVE provided this exact choice.

Spittie 13y ago
Yes I have. No, they haven't. All you can do right now is to move the global menu from the "global" bar to the window bar. You can't still have it back to "default", like other operative systems, and you can't still have it being visible by default. And, by the way, this was just one small point of my post. Everything else still applies.
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  This is the same lamenting and strife that one could also apply to Apple. OSX is their way or the highway. If Ubuntu listens to the loudest community whiners the UI would be a terrible mess. If you don't like the default desktop: sudo apt-get install -y fluxbox, or whatever of the dozens of other WM's are out there that you like better. Problem solved.
- eklavya 13y ago
  Ok, so default like which operating system, mac? windows? They are doing things differently, what's wrong with that? I like it and I use it, those who don't have plenty more DEs to choose from. By the way they do provide a way to change the size of the icons, since 12.04 at least.
- Spittie 13y ago
  (Can't reply to yours comments res0nat0r and eklavya, hopefully this will do anyway). By default like the operative system with 90%+ of the marketshare - Windows. I'm not saying that they're doing it good, but 90%+ of the people using a computer expect it to act that way. I'm also not saying that it should be the default, just have a tiny little option somewhere (instead of forcing me to remove the appmenu* packages, which I know how to do it, but my parents sure don't). I'm also not sure why are you attacking me and telling me to install another DE - I have (In fact, I don't even use Ubuntu anymore, as I don't like apt-get and some other stuff). I'm just saying that they should add some options to make everyone happy. I have the same feeling towards Gnome shell, but at least this one has easy-to-install plugins.
  - eklavya 13y ago
    Hey :) nobody is attacking you. They have given you that option for menus now but if it's not enough there is always KDE(which I also use and love by the way ;) ) It goes both ways, they can't force you to use their stuff and you can't force them to do it your way. Let evolution take it's course, only good UIs will remain. For my parents I have installed Kubuntu, KDE always works and always has the features you need.
Elhana 13y ago
How can I move the menu bar under window title? I actually like to move windows by the title bar and not move my mouse over the whole screen to the global menu.
- techwizrd 13y ago
  Even with the global menu, you can still move windows by the titlebar. Furthermore, you've always been able to move windows by dragging a window while holding the Alt key. You can also disable the global menu entirely by removing the appmenu-gtk, appmenu-gtk3, appmenu-qt, and indicator-appmenu packages. (This does break the HUD however)

dagw 13y ago

why not make everyone happy, and give a choice They've already given users several choices. They're called Kubuntu, Xubuntun and Lubuntu.

johnchristopher 13y ago
Parent is not debating DE options. Parent is talking about specific options for a specific DE.
- techwizrd 13y ago
  It takes a great deal of effort to provide a configurable option and acceptable configuration UI for every single option in a DE. It also greatly increases the number of custom configuration combinations and the testing required. It's not a zero-cost option at all.
blueblob 13y ago
I think it's time for a Gubunto that uses GNOME instead of Unity. :-)
- catinsocks 13y ago
  Ubuntu Gnome is that choice now http://ubuntugnome.org/ http://ubuntugnome.org/
- gcb0 13y ago
  or, you know, use debian.
  - blueblob 13y ago
    I actually use Arch although I do like Debian too.