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> No we are not cool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 is not cool, still not cool. I won't repeat the horrific thi

by junto 13y ago

> No we are not cool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 is not cool, still not cool. I won't repeat the horrific things that happened there, read it for yourself, but no, just saying "we are cool" about it goes a little too far. I think you've missed the point. You can't blame a Japanese child for the sins of his grandfather. The same goes for a German child whose family has a Nazi past or an American whose ancestors slaughtered native American women and children like they were animals.

rdtsc 13y ago
No I didn't miss it, it was just a bad original point. Microsoft is not a child, it is a little too cute of a metaphor. Microsoft is a bureaucratic organization. Just like Google and also governments. Most important, it is effectively the same entity. Japan is still Japan. US is still US. Google is still Google, and Microsoft still Microsoft.
- gtirloni 13y ago
  Yes, nothing ever changes. What a sad world.
waps 13y ago
If you lived in Europe you'd see an obvious truth : people are blamed for what their grandparents did, if it's about WWII and nazis. Forget about joining the military, politics, judicial system or police. Well police is a special case. There's a few regions where you won't be able to enter the police if you're not a nazi (despite everything they still exist), but the vast majority the reverse is true. Anything reeking faintly of nazism, like a wrong last name, and you're locked out. It also definitely affects your job prospects in the private sector.
- rdtsc 13y ago
  Yes I am aware of that, I lived in Europe for a long time. The difference, and I pointed out, is between an individual that inherited a last name from another individual (their parent) and a large entity like a company or country. Microsoft is still Microsoft, US is still US. Unless Microsoft was bought or acquired somehow and assimilated, it is still itself. Because mind you, German government is still paying restitution back to its victims. US still prosecutes and kicks out those 90 year old concentration camp guards. My point was that equating Microsoft to a child is a little too much. It was a bad analogy to start with. In summary, I do not support discriminating again children based on their last name. That is not right. But I do support not forgetting what companies and countries did. Especially if they haven't made amends or taken steps to distance themselves and remediate the past wrongs.

by junto 13y ago

rdtsc 13y ago

No I didn't miss it, it was just a bad original point. Microsoft is not a child, it is a little too cute of a metaphor. Microsoft is a bureaucratic organization. Just like Google and also governments. Most important, it is effectively the same entity. Japan is still Japan. US is still US. Google is still Google, and Microsoft still Microsoft.

gtirloni 13y ago
Yes, nothing ever changes. What a sad world.

waps 13y ago

If you lived in Europe you'd see an obvious truth : people are blamed for what their grandparents did, if it's about WWII and nazis. Forget about joining the military, politics, judicial system or police. Well police is a special case. There's a few regions where you won't be able to enter the police if you're not a nazi (despite everything they still exist), but the vast majority the reverse is true. Anything reeking faintly of nazism, like a wrong last name, and you're locked out. It also definitely affects your job prospects in the private sector.

rdtsc 13y ago
Yes I am aware of that, I lived in Europe for a long time. The difference, and I pointed out, is between an individual that inherited a last name from another individual (their parent) and a large entity like a company or country. Microsoft is still Microsoft, US is still US. Unless Microsoft was bought or acquired somehow and assimilated, it is still itself. Because mind you, German government is still paying restitution back to its victims. US still prosecutes and kicks out those 90 year old concentration camp guards. My point was that equating Microsoft to a child is a little too much. It was a bad analogy to start with. In summary, I do not support discriminating again children based on their last name. That is not right. But I do support not forgetting what companies and countries did. Especially if they haven't made amends or taken steps to distance themselves and remediate the past wrongs.