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Getting a little ahead of ourselfs maybe? "Nobody knows", lets just compare IRC. #javascript on freenode got 951 users. #clojure on freenode got 651 users. Eve

Getting a little ahead of ourselfs maybe? "Nobody knows", lets just compare IRC. #javascript on freenode got 951 users. #clojure on freenode got 651 users. Even tho its not a good comparison, saying "nobody" knows clojure is very far fetched. It has a ever growing community, with several books published, and the whole point on Chris choosing Clojure shows enough of its maturity.

haberman 13y ago
Search Amazon.com books: ClojureScript: 10 results (only one of these actually has ClojureScript in the title) Clojure: 89 results JavaScript: 5,787 results Sorry, there is no comparison. I'm not saying Clojure sucks, I am just saying that it's not mainstream. ClojureScript even less so -- it's an offshoot of Clojure which was designed around the JVM, not browsers.
- klibertp 13y ago
  > ClojureScript even less so -- it's an offshoot of Clojure which was designed around the JVM, not browsers. Clojure was designed as a Lisp friendly to it's hosting environment. JVM implementation is probably not purely accidental, but it's not the whole of original design either. And as I write this comment here I might as well add: non-mainstream languages are in many, many places a competitive advantage for those who use them. I know, use and frankly like many non-mainstream languages and the ROI of learning them was universally higher than with the most popular languages.
- Foxboron 13y ago
  "I'm not saying Clojure sucks, I am just saying that it's not mainstream.", to be frank, thats not what you said; "... ClojureScript, a LISP-like language that nobody knows.". Saying its not mainstream is no problem, but it tells you nothing about the quality of the language. What i do find problematic is that you are changing your argumentation from one comment too another. Clojure is a lang several people know, judgeing by books is a poor comparison as we can limit too the past year and compare and the difference would not be as stark, as you try to present it. Clojure also got 80 (?) books published in less then 2-3 years since its its rather quick breakthrough. There is no need to even try and claim "nobody" knows clojure, or "it's not mainstream".

haberman 13y ago

Search Amazon.com books: ClojureScript: 10 results (only one of these actually has ClojureScript in the title) Clojure: 89 results JavaScript: 5,787 results Sorry, there is no comparison. I'm not saying Clojure sucks, I am just saying that it's not mainstream. ClojureScript even less so -- it's an offshoot of Clojure which was designed around the JVM, not browsers.

klibertp 13y ago
> ClojureScript even less so -- it's an offshoot of Clojure which was designed around the JVM, not browsers. Clojure was designed as a Lisp friendly to it's hosting environment. JVM implementation is probably not purely accidental, but it's not the whole of original design either. And as I write this comment here I might as well add: non-mainstream languages are in many, many places a competitive advantage for those who use them. I know, use and frankly like many non-mainstream languages and the ROI of learning them was universally higher than with the most popular languages.
Foxboron 13y ago
"I'm not saying Clojure sucks, I am just saying that it's not mainstream.", to be frank, thats not what you said; "... ClojureScript, a LISP-like language that nobody knows.". Saying its not mainstream is no problem, but it tells you nothing about the quality of the language. What i do find problematic is that you are changing your argumentation from one comment too another. Clojure is a lang several people know, judgeing by books is a poor comparison as we can limit too the past year and compare and the difference would not be as stark, as you try to present it. Clojure also got 80 (?) books published in less then 2-3 years since its its rather quick breakthrough. There is no need to even try and claim "nobody" knows clojure, or "it's not mainstream".