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Couldn't you make the same trollish comment about any human right? Say we are talking about your right to not be tortured. Would you be able to provide a "citat

by jafaku 13y ago

Couldn't you make the same trollish comment about any human right? Say we are talking about your right to not be tortured. Would you be able to provide a "citation" in your defense? What would be an acceptable source in your opinion?

harryh 13y ago
My right to not be tortured is defined in the 8th Amendment.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  And the fact that we have other rights that may not be clearly defined anywhere is explicitly spelled out in the 9th.
- jafaku 13y ago
  You seem to have skipped the most important part in your constitution: Human rights don't come from a piece of paper, they are not given to you by a government. They are innate. If you really are an American, you will stop with the whole "Americans have rights, foreigners don't" argument.
  - harryh 13y ago
    The US Constitution says nothing about innate rights.
    - jafaku 13y ago
      Ok it's in the declaration of independence, but congrats for being a smartass: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
      - harryh 13y ago
        The Declaration of Independence isn't a governing document.
        jafaku 13y ago
        And? I'm talking about innate rights, and you keep trying to find where the government gave you those rights. You are the worst American ever.
        harryh 13y ago
        There's no such thing as innate rights. Only the rights that we decide to give each other, define in some sort of governing document and then enforce. You brought up a specific question about torture, I assume because you see it as an innate right to not be tortured. It's no such thing though, it's a right clearly defined by the 8th Amendment (in the US at least). You can stomp your foot and declare over and over again as much as you want that there are innate rights, but just look around at the actual evidence in the real world and you will see that there is no such thing. The rights you have are the ones defined and enforced by society.
        jafaku 13y ago
        No joke, genius. By innate what we mean is that we should agree to protect them no matter where the person happened to be born. You sound like a sociopath, unable to grasp this concept that is intuitive for everyone else.
        harryh 13y ago
        Basically the only right we've agreed to protect for everyone no matter where they were born is the right of a people to not be exterminated by genocide. That's just about the only thing that will compel the international community to act. Now, maybe there are other things that you think we should agree to, but the fact is we haven't. So I don't know why you say that this concept is "intuitive for everyone else" when everyone else, quite obviously, hasn't agreed to your world view.

by jafaku 13y ago

harryh 13y ago

My right to not be tortured is defined in the 8th Amendment.

dllthomas 13y ago
And the fact that we have other rights that may not be clearly defined anywhere is explicitly spelled out in the 9th.
jafaku 13y ago
You seem to have skipped the most important part in your constitution: Human rights don't come from a piece of paper, they are not given to you by a government. They are innate. If you really are an American, you will stop with the whole "Americans have rights, foreigners don't" argument.
- harryh 13y ago
  The US Constitution says nothing about innate rights.
  - jafaku 13y ago
    Ok it's in the declaration of independence, but congrats for being a smartass: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
    - harryh 13y ago
      The Declaration of Independence isn't a governing document.
      - jafaku 13y ago
        And? I'm talking about innate rights, and you keep trying to find where the government gave you those rights. You are the worst American ever.
        harryh 13y ago
        There's no such thing as innate rights. Only the rights that we decide to give each other, define in some sort of governing document and then enforce. You brought up a specific question about torture, I assume because you see it as an innate right to not be tortured. It's no such thing though, it's a right clearly defined by the 8th Amendment (in the US at least). You can stomp your foot and declare over and over again as much as you want that there are innate rights, but just look around at the actual evidence in the real world and you will see that there is no such thing. The rights you have are the ones defined and enforced by society.
        jafaku 13y ago
        No joke, genius. By innate what we mean is that we should agree to protect them no matter where the person happened to be born. You sound like a sociopath, unable to grasp this concept that is intuitive for everyone else.
        harryh 13y ago
        Basically the only right we've agreed to protect for everyone no matter where they were born is the right of a people to not be exterminated by genocide. That's just about the only thing that will compel the international community to act. Now, maybe there are other things that you think we should agree to, but the fact is we haven't. So I don't know why you say that this concept is "intuitive for everyone else" when everyone else, quite obviously, hasn't agreed to your world view.