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I like to believe Americas misadventures with Drones give us lots of reason to be sceptical of these drones. If there was no threat from the east, these drones

by tinco 13y ago

I like to believe Americas misadventures with Drones give us lots of reason to be sceptical of these drones. If there was no threat from the east, these drones would still exist, but perhaps they would have no one to kill so would remain on the borders of obscurity like most of military technology. Who'd be opposed to them then?

DanBC 13y ago
I much prefer the murder of limited numbers innocent civilians with drones (which is usually a mistake) to the mass murder of innocent civilians by "Shock and Awe" tactics and cluster bombing. Making cluster-bomblets the same colour as air-dropped food-aid packs was a particularly cruel accident. With bombing someone is making the choice to kill civilians. At least with drones they're trying (perhaps not hard enough) to avoid killing civilians. The book "Bomber Command" (Max Hastings) talks a little bit about the changing policy in WWII from "Do not kill civilians" to "Let's carry out horrific firebombing of German cities". (Also the death rate of bomber crews was shockingly low.) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bomber-Command-Pan-Military-Classics/dp/0330513613/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392981367&sr=8-1&keywords=bomber+command http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bomber-Command-Pan-Military-Classics... (Wait what? Is that a referral link? I don't think I have any kind of referral stuff set up with amazon?)
- coldtea 13y ago
  >I much prefer the murder of limited numbers innocent civilians with drones (which is usually a mistake) to the mass murder of innocent civilians by "Shock and Awe" tactics and cluster bombing. Sure, as long as it's your side/country/flag that's doing the killing. And it's not about preventing baddies, it's about the consequences of building a totalitarian superpower with access to that to fuck and exploit everybody else with.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    No. Even if my country was the target I would prefer inaccurate drone strikes than inaccurate mass bombing. Especially if that mass bombing includes cluster bombs which stay around continuing to kill civillians, sometimes long after war has ended in that region.
    - coldtea 13y ago
      In any case, at best they are a worse evil. Nothing to be thankful for.

by tinco 13y ago

DanBC 13y ago

I much prefer the murder of limited numbers innocent civilians with drones (which is usually a mistake) to the mass murder of innocent civilians by "Shock and Awe" tactics and cluster bombing. Making cluster-bomblets the same colour as air-dropped food-aid packs was a particularly cruel accident. With bombing someone is making the choice to kill civilians. At least with drones they're trying (perhaps not hard enough) to avoid killing civilians. The book "Bomber Command" (Max Hastings) talks a little bit about the changing policy in WWII from "Do not kill civilians" to "Let's carry out horrific firebombing of German cities". (Also the death rate of bomber crews was shockingly low.) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bomber-Command-Pan-Military-Classics/dp/0330513613/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392981367&sr=8-1&keywords=bomber+command http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bomber-Command-Pan-Military-Classics... (Wait what? Is that a referral link? I don't think I have any kind of referral stuff set up with amazon?)

coldtea 13y ago
>I much prefer the murder of limited numbers innocent civilians with drones (which is usually a mistake) to the mass murder of innocent civilians by "Shock and Awe" tactics and cluster bombing. Sure, as long as it's your side/country/flag that's doing the killing. And it's not about preventing baddies, it's about the consequences of building a totalitarian superpower with access to that to fuck and exploit everybody else with.
- DanBC 13y ago
  No. Even if my country was the target I would prefer inaccurate drone strikes than inaccurate mass bombing. Especially if that mass bombing includes cluster bombs which stay around continuing to kill civillians, sometimes long after war has ended in that region.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    In any case, at best they are a worse evil. Nothing to be thankful for.