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How do you convince a Republican to vote for this?

by thyrsus 13y ago

thatthatis 13y ago
The two eastern Californias would be republican slam dunks for senate seats.
CWuestefeld 13y ago
I would think the question is the other way around. It's a step (possibly a small one) to diluting the DEM monolith that his California. Today CA can be depended to field a DEM slate of senators, and send DEM electors to the electoral college [1]. If broken up, then some of the new senators would presumably go GOP, as would some of the electoral votes. It would be fascinating to see the outcome of such a plan. The results would be interesting from poli sci, economics, and sociology perspectives. [1] Is CA an all-or-nothing state, or is it proportional? I don't recall.
- dmm 13y ago
  There is no way the other states would allow california to get 12 senators. Right?
  - protomyth 13y ago
    Playing the long game, if the split was right, yep they would because then California could not pull some of the stunts it has in the past[1]. Textbook companies are another area that would change because of split CA. 1) latest one http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/04/4798111/missouris-koster-sues-california.html http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/04/4798111/missouris-koste...
- mbell 13y ago
  Here are the results from the 2012 Senate election by county: http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Senate/2012/CA http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Senate/2012/CA I'd venture a guess that 2 maybe 3 (if also looking at the numbers for the house elections) of the 6 new states may go republican.
mhurron 13y ago
Tell them it will make it so the liberal hippies they currently share a state with will end up in another state and they'll be free to oppress any group they feel like.
pliny 13y ago
Offer a split that creates an equal amount of Democratic and Republican senators.
protomyth 13y ago
Take the two top states (purple & blue) and make them vertical (one coastal, one inland) as opposed to horizontal. That would probably be enough to tip the scales. I do think it might be a problem for Democrats in the first place because CA would no longer be an electoral fortress. Much like the plan to split NYC and surrounding counties from NY state. I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would imagine some desalination plants would finally be built.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  "I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would imagine some desalination plants would finally be built." I agree, although there are some desalinization plants already.
  - protomyth 13y ago
    I'm figuring once LA and SF have no political influence over the former CA farmland, there are going to be more.
    - dllthomas 13y ago
      I agree; I was just clarifying.
      - protomyth 13y ago
        Actually, I only saw Carlsbad desalination plant and it isn't done. It seems like this article http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Desalination-plants-a-pricey-option-if-drought-5239096.php http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Desalination-plants-a-pri... shows none completed.
        dllthomas 13y ago
        Hm, Wikipedia says "California has also begun producing a small amount of desalinated water, water that was once sea water, but has been purified." That may need a "citation needed", at least - at a skim I'm not seeing support for it.

How do you convince a Republican to vote for this?

by thyrsus 13y ago

How do you convince a Republican to vote for this?

thatthatis 13y ago

The two eastern Californias would be republican slam dunks for senate seats.

CWuestefeld 13y ago

I would think the question is the other way around. It's a step (possibly a small one) to diluting the DEM monolith that his California. Today CA can be depended to field a DEM slate of senators, and send DEM electors to the electoral college [1]. If broken up, then some of the new senators would presumably go GOP, as would some of the electoral votes. It would be fascinating to see the outcome of such a plan. The results would be interesting from poli sci, economics, and sociology perspectives. [1] Is CA an all-or-nothing state, or is it proportional? I don't recall.

dmm 13y ago
There is no way the other states would allow california to get 12 senators. Right?
- protomyth 13y ago
  Playing the long game, if the split was right, yep they would because then California could not pull some of the stunts it has in the past[1]. Textbook companies are another area that would change because of split CA. 1) latest one http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/04/4798111/missouris-koster-sues-california.html http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/04/4798111/missouris-koste...
mbell 13y ago
Here are the results from the 2012 Senate election by county: http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Senate/2012/CA http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Senate/2012/CA I'd venture a guess that 2 maybe 3 (if also looking at the numbers for the house elections) of the 6 new states may go republican.

mhurron 13y ago

Tell them it will make it so the liberal hippies they currently share a state with will end up in another state and they'll be free to oppress any group they feel like.

pliny 13y ago

Offer a split that creates an equal amount of Democratic and Republican senators.

protomyth 13y ago

Take the two top states (purple & blue) and make them vertical (one coastal, one inland) as opposed to horizontal. That would probably be enough to tip the scales. I do think it might be a problem for Democrats in the first place because CA would no longer be an electoral fortress. Much like the plan to split NYC and surrounding counties from NY state. I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would imagine some desalination plants would finally be built.

dllthomas 13y ago
"I am more interested in water policy once a split occurs. I would imagine some desalination plants would finally be built." I agree, although there are some desalinization plants already.
- protomyth 13y ago
  I'm figuring once LA and SF have no political influence over the former CA farmland, there are going to be more.
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    I agree; I was just clarifying.
    - protomyth 13y ago
      Actually, I only saw Carlsbad desalination plant and it isn't done. It seems like this article http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Desalination-plants-a-pricey-option-if-drought-5239096.php http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Desalination-plants-a-pri... shows none completed.
      - dllthomas 13y ago
        Hm, Wikipedia says "California has also begun producing a small amount of desalinated water, water that was once sea water, but has been purified." That may need a "citation needed", at least - at a skim I'm not seeing support for it.