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Thank you for this comment. Those people occupying the square in Kyiv are incapable of any form of compromise. They refused to leave government buildings that t

by bonzoq 13y ago

Thank you for this comment. Those people occupying the square in Kyiv are incapable of any form of compromise. They refused to leave government buildings that they occupied, their leaders refused government posts they were offered, and for example recently one of the judges that sentenced protestors to house arrest was shot on the street to death. Why won't they peacefully wait for the next elections which will be in just a year? After all the current president is democratically elected and nobody disputes this.

mtrimpe 13y ago
Weren't they peacefully protesting until they were forcefully disbanded by the police?
- bonzoq 13y ago
  To my best knowledge and I'm vividly interested in the topic they were not. They were armed from the start. A common type of weapon was a baseball bat with nails. For instance, one of the three oposition leaders, Mr Klitschko (also known for being a world-class heavy-weight boxer), was attacked with a fire extinguisher after he announced a temporary 'cease-fire' to the people on the square. This demonstrates that the protesters, or at least some if not most of them, are not resonable and by no means peaceful. Imagine this type of peaceful protest in any western capital and those protesters would be now peaceful in jail.
  - dmytrish 13y ago
    That's not correct. There were two months of peaceful protest before the Hrushevskogo violence by radicals with bats, there were several raids by police to dismantle Maidan at night when most of people are at home - those efforts were answered peacefully with endurance.
  - bonzoq 13y ago
    Is blocking government buildings for two months paralysing top offices a peaceful protest? This could not last forever. Again changing the government the usual style is more effective than this.
dmytrish 13y ago
They refused because we know worth of our government promises: they can promise everything and then silently beat and murder activists, change their mind and decisions unpredictably (Europe learned that recently). There's a real lack of trust in regime and it's based on facts and experience. Next elections are going to be a bloody mess of graft, manipulations and violence we have no legal means to cope with. Offered posts were sham to distract people and bribe for opposition leaders to shut up. Yanukovych seems to be incapable of a compromise with people without force. The only thing that forced him to offer those posts was reaction of the world (sanctions, political measures, threats to freeze his "family" accounts in Western banks) to the violence at Hrushevskogo (even not the violence itself, though any patriot would refuse its post after his country is teared apart by his actions, but it is well known that Yanukovych is not а patriot by any means).
- bonzoq 13y ago
  And look what this refusal led to. Wouldn't it make sense to democratically ellect a new president if you don't like this one? At least fewer people would die. And also, you had a president from the opposition and he did absolutely nothing to approach the west. Or maybe it is the case that too many ordinary people of Ukraine don't want to be part of Europe but feel more at home with Russia.

by bonzoq 13y ago

mtrimpe 13y ago

Weren't they peacefully protesting until they were forcefully disbanded by the police?

bonzoq 13y ago
To my best knowledge and I'm vividly interested in the topic they were not. They were armed from the start. A common type of weapon was a baseball bat with nails. For instance, one of the three oposition leaders, Mr Klitschko (also known for being a world-class heavy-weight boxer), was attacked with a fire extinguisher after he announced a temporary 'cease-fire' to the people on the square. This demonstrates that the protesters, or at least some if not most of them, are not resonable and by no means peaceful. Imagine this type of peaceful protest in any western capital and those protesters would be now peaceful in jail.
- dmytrish 13y ago
  That's not correct. There were two months of peaceful protest before the Hrushevskogo violence by radicals with bats, there were several raids by police to dismantle Maidan at night when most of people are at home - those efforts were answered peacefully with endurance.
- bonzoq 13y ago
  Is blocking government buildings for two months paralysing top offices a peaceful protest? This could not last forever. Again changing the government the usual style is more effective than this.

dmytrish 13y ago

They refused because we know worth of our government promises: they can promise everything and then silently beat and murder activists, change their mind and decisions unpredictably (Europe learned that recently). There's a real lack of trust in regime and it's based on facts and experience. Next elections are going to be a bloody mess of graft, manipulations and violence we have no legal means to cope with. Offered posts were sham to distract people and bribe for opposition leaders to shut up. Yanukovych seems to be incapable of a compromise with people without force. The only thing that forced him to offer those posts was reaction of the world (sanctions, political measures, threats to freeze his "family" accounts in Western banks) to the violence at Hrushevskogo (even not the violence itself, though any patriot would refuse its post after his country is teared apart by his actions, but it is well known that Yanukovych is not а patriot by any means).

bonzoq 13y ago
And look what this refusal led to. Wouldn't it make sense to democratically ellect a new president if you don't like this one? At least fewer people would die. And also, you had a president from the opposition and he did absolutely nothing to approach the west. Or maybe it is the case that too many ordinary people of Ukraine don't want to be part of Europe but feel more at home with Russia.