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I doubt "the best security guys" end up with the same interview experience. If you are widely known in the industry as an expert or the best at something I thin

by gaadd33 13y ago

I doubt "the best security guys" end up with the same interview experience. If you are widely known in the industry as an expert or the best at something I think the process to obtaining a job is significantly different from someone applying for jobs.

tptacek 13y ago
Not here. I am way more scared of the "best" candidates than I am of the normal ones.
- gaadd33 13y ago
  Really, that's surprising to me. Would people of Bruce Schneier/Fyodor/et al stature go through the same interview process that everyone else goes through? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't at a big company but you guys do things differently (for the better it seems) so maybe?
  - tptacek 13y ago
    Yes, they would. I am 100% sure of it.
  - pgeorgi 13y ago
    For all I know Fyodor is a collective of cheap developers and designers from far-far-away coordinated through an outsourcing agency with a single front figure reading from a teleprompter. That would still be a notable effort, but I'd like to know who I'm hiring and for which qualifications (cat herding or design and implementation).
    - VLM 13y ago
      "For all I know Fyodor is a collective of cheap developers and designers from far-far-away coordinated through an outsourcing agency with a single front figure reading from a teleprompter." And would that matter?
      - pgeorgi 13y ago
        In general? No. When the teleprompter reading person applies for a security job they're supposed to do alone? yes.
    - gaadd33 13y ago
      Do you also feel that Bruce Schneier could be a collective of cheap developers? That seems like a pretty odd position to take give Fydor's identity is widely known. (http://insecure.org/fyodor/ http://insecure.org/fyodor/)
- foobarian 13y ago
  I would imagine with someone like Bruce Schneier, you'd be paying them for the name and not their output. Google did it with a bunch of legendary computer scientists. Their role is mainly to get top notch junior people to come work there.

by gaadd33 13y ago

tptacek 13y ago

Not here. I am way more scared of the "best" candidates than I am of the normal ones.

gaadd33 13y ago
Really, that's surprising to me. Would people of Bruce Schneier/Fyodor/et al stature go through the same interview process that everyone else goes through? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't at a big company but you guys do things differently (for the better it seems) so maybe?
- tptacek 13y ago
  Yes, they would. I am 100% sure of it.
- pgeorgi 13y ago
  For all I know Fyodor is a collective of cheap developers and designers from far-far-away coordinated through an outsourcing agency with a single front figure reading from a teleprompter. That would still be a notable effort, but I'd like to know who I'm hiring and for which qualifications (cat herding or design and implementation).
  - VLM 13y ago
    "For all I know Fyodor is a collective of cheap developers and designers from far-far-away coordinated through an outsourcing agency with a single front figure reading from a teleprompter." And would that matter?
    - pgeorgi 13y ago
      In general? No. When the teleprompter reading person applies for a security job they're supposed to do alone? yes.
  - gaadd33 13y ago
    Do you also feel that Bruce Schneier could be a collective of cheap developers? That seems like a pretty odd position to take give Fydor's identity is widely known. (http://insecure.org/fyodor/ http://insecure.org/fyodor/)
foobarian 13y ago
I would imagine with someone like Bruce Schneier, you'd be paying them for the name and not their output. Google did it with a bunch of legendary computer scientists. Their role is mainly to get top notch junior people to come work there.