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Such a moronic title: all nations are created illegally, if you believe otherwise show me the paperwork of the USA territory, signed by all previous residents (

by ivanca 13y ago

Such a moronic title: all nations are created illegally, if you believe otherwise show me the paperwork of the USA territory, signed by all previous residents (native Americans)... and no, their graves do not count as a signature under any legal definition.

sp332 13y ago
Not nearly "all" nations are created illegally. Try the Czech Republic and Slovakia, for example. And what about the Algonquin Nation, were they created illegally?
- my_username_is_ 13y ago
  While you do offer good counterexamples, these are more the exception than the rule
  - protomyth 13y ago
    "All" only requires one counter example. People should really say something other than "all" unless they really mean "all".
    - ivanca 13y ago
      Your brain should not work as a compiler, when everything must be 100% strictly correct on the language syntax to be considered valid.
      - protomyth 13y ago
        People shouldn't use absolutes when they don't mean an absolute. It is not about 100% strictness, its about understanding what someone is saying. The "STOP" sign actually means stop, not maybe (that's "YIELD"). In other words, don't get pissy when you use absolute proclamations and others call you on it.
parfe 13y ago
A legally created nation came into existence three years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Independence_.282011.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Independence_.28201...
protomyth 13y ago
Sadly, there are pieces of paper with signatures on them. Its amazing how scummy the US government got in trying to "legitimize" the land forfeitures. Even sadder how some folks today want to throw out was actually signed and steal the rest.
- throwaway092834 13y ago
  To be fair there's some circular reasoning here. A contract itself is only valid and legal according to the law of a particular nation. Those pieces of paper had no equivalence of legal meaning in the Native American culture prior to the founding of the colonies and the forced application of English common law.
  - protomyth 13y ago
    Well, a treaty is between nations and the Native American had agreements between tribes (and trade) before the Europeans showed up. The European (and later US) treaties were not a new concept, just a new form and some new, particularly scummy, tactics.
rmc 13y ago
Ireland?

by ivanca 13y ago

sp332 13y ago

Not nearly "all" nations are created illegally. Try the Czech Republic and Slovakia, for example. And what about the Algonquin Nation, were they created illegally?

my_username_is_ 13y ago
While you do offer good counterexamples, these are more the exception than the rule
- protomyth 13y ago
  "All" only requires one counter example. People should really say something other than "all" unless they really mean "all".
  - ivanca 13y ago
    Your brain should not work as a compiler, when everything must be 100% strictly correct on the language syntax to be considered valid.
    - protomyth 13y ago
      People shouldn't use absolutes when they don't mean an absolute. It is not about 100% strictness, its about understanding what someone is saying. The "STOP" sign actually means stop, not maybe (that's "YIELD"). In other words, don't get pissy when you use absolute proclamations and others call you on it.

parfe 13y ago

A legally created nation came into existence three years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Independence_.282011.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Independence_.28201...

protomyth 13y ago

Sadly, there are pieces of paper with signatures on them. Its amazing how scummy the US government got in trying to "legitimize" the land forfeitures. Even sadder how some folks today want to throw out was actually signed and steal the rest.

throwaway092834 13y ago
To be fair there's some circular reasoning here. A contract itself is only valid and legal according to the law of a particular nation. Those pieces of paper had no equivalence of legal meaning in the Native American culture prior to the founding of the colonies and the forced application of English common law.
- protomyth 13y ago
  Well, a treaty is between nations and the Native American had agreements between tribes (and trade) before the Europeans showed up. The European (and later US) treaties were not a new concept, just a new form and some new, particularly scummy, tactics.

rmc 13y ago

Ireland?