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> "Having said that, money is one of the last things that cause me to leave a job. If I enjoy what I'm doing and the people I work with, it usually doesn't matt

> "Having said that, money is one of the last things that cause me to leave a job. If I enjoy what I'm doing and the people I work with, it usually doesn't matter (as much) what raises I receive." I had a conversation with a friend very recently about how our company handles counter offers. "They don't believe in counter offers." "Don't... don't believe in them? What's there to believe in?" "That's what they say." "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!" "I dunno, it kinda makes sense to me." "What?!" "Well, the reasoning is if you're only there for the money, then why would they want you?" "It's a JOB! Of course I'm there for the money. Otherwise I'd be doing it for fucking free! What if the money is the only thing keeping me from fucking leaving?!" "Hm... yeah, that's a good point." I don't know when or how one's passion became some sort of counterpoint to their compensation. Just because I love what I do doesn't mean I don't deserve more money. It means I'm lucky enough to be driven far beyond most, and endowed with a greater amount of ability, and thus a rare and valuable member of the team.

ENGNR 13y ago
If money is so unimportant they should be a non-profit paying everyone as much as they possibly can. Oh you can't do that? Right, so money IS important then..
- kamaal 13y ago
  The best part is the CEO, the executive teams right down even to the middle management won't move a match stick unless there is some bonus, stock incentive or a pay component attached to it. Yet they expect nearly every one else shouldn't have any financial expectations at all.
  - marvin 13y ago
    They only do that because some people are destructively naïve and buy it hook, line and sinker. No one actually believes those things. It's just a clever strategy which is more palatable than "no" if you don't read between the lines.
mcv 13y ago
To me, money was always the least consideration. The content of the work, how much I'd learn, the atmosphere and co-workers, open source or not, that was generally what made me pick one job over another. Often when I had several offers, I ended up picking the lowest. And yet, when I've worked there for two years and learned a lot and did some good things there, and I still haven't gotten a raise, I don't feel appreciated. And when I don't feel appreciated, I look for something else.
- jevanish 13y ago
  In my experience, I've found that the times I want more money falls into a few categories: 1) Cost of Living - This can change bc of higher rent, getting married, having a kid or a million other things 2) I'm unhappy about something else - When I have another issue with my work, it often leads to what many people have said in other comments..."I'm not paid enough for this" which can take many different forms. Addressing this is much more important than whatever financial increase you do or do not get in asking for it. 3) Envy - If you find out all your peers at similar stage companies are paid more than you, or that your coworkers are, you'll probably want a raise. In my experience, #2 is actually the most common that leads you leave and even if you get the raise, a manager needs to make sure they treat the condition (whatever is bothering you) not just the symptom (I want more compensation for my work).

ENGNR 13y ago

If money is so unimportant they should be a non-profit paying everyone as much as they possibly can. Oh you can't do that? Right, so money IS important then..

kamaal 13y ago
The best part is the CEO, the executive teams right down even to the middle management won't move a match stick unless there is some bonus, stock incentive or a pay component attached to it. Yet they expect nearly every one else shouldn't have any financial expectations at all.
- marvin 13y ago
  They only do that because some people are destructively naïve and buy it hook, line and sinker. No one actually believes those things. It's just a clever strategy which is more palatable than "no" if you don't read between the lines.

mcv 13y ago

To me, money was always the least consideration. The content of the work, how much I'd learn, the atmosphere and co-workers, open source or not, that was generally what made me pick one job over another. Often when I had several offers, I ended up picking the lowest. And yet, when I've worked there for two years and learned a lot and did some good things there, and I still haven't gotten a raise, I don't feel appreciated. And when I don't feel appreciated, I look for something else.

jevanish 13y ago
In my experience, I've found that the times I want more money falls into a few categories: 1) Cost of Living - This can change bc of higher rent, getting married, having a kid or a million other things 2) I'm unhappy about something else - When I have another issue with my work, it often leads to what many people have said in other comments..."I'm not paid enough for this" which can take many different forms. Addressing this is much more important than whatever financial increase you do or do not get in asking for it. 3) Envy - If you find out all your peers at similar stage companies are paid more than you, or that your coworkers are, you'll probably want a raise. In my experience, #2 is actually the most common that leads you leave and even if you get the raise, a manager needs to make sure they treat the condition (whatever is bothering you) not just the symptom (I want more compensation for my work).