Okay, but there are also practical concerns, like those of us who use map and compass in our lives (for me, geocaching and hunting). It's very well to wave your

Okay, but there are also practical concerns, like those of us who use map and compass in our lives (for me, geocaching and hunting). It's very well to wave your arms and talk about being a "mind-having individual" but it won't help you navigate in the Coast Mountains.