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Counter-espionage is sadly the wrong way to go.. we already had a cold war and this seems to become cold war part 2.0 with everyone hiding behind their iron cur

by halfdan 13y ago

Counter-espionage is sadly the wrong way to go.. we already had a cold war and this seems to become cold war part 2.0 with everyone hiding behind their iron curtains.

th0br0 13y ago
Most likely this won't lead to anything and is just a press release meant to appease the masses... I don't believe that our politicians would truly suddenly make this roundabout turn. Besides, the article only says that this is being considered and that talks (probably) haven't even started yet.
- cnvogel 13y ago
  Well... it's a significant change of words, though. Up to recently, the German cabinet claimed to be content with the affirmation of U.S. officials to only work within the boundaries of German and U.S. laws. The level of blind trust in "our allies" was astonishing, for example they called allegations backed by the Snowden documents "unfounded". Few months ago they've sent a few secretaries over to negotiate an non-binding letter of "no spy" intent, that the U.S. obviously didn't want to agree to (because no autonomous state would). So, now they finally seem to have come to the conclusion that indeed we (as a state) are spied upon, for a myriad of reasons, which is quite an accomplishment for these naíve guys and girls.
qgi 13y ago
Sad, but they've got basically forced to take action by the US and UK agencies. This is somewhat worse than the cold war because the US and Europe do consider each other to be allies, not enemies.
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  They were surely already doing this, just making an issue about it in the press to score some political points.
- anonymousab 13y ago
  Not really. It's already been established that the German government was partway complicit in GCHQs activities in the region.
smtddr 13y ago
>>this seems to become cold war part 2.0 Based on the Snowden leak, I don't think the USA knew Cold War 1.0 was over.
- f_salmon 13y ago
  For the US, this is an economic war. It's about gaining/keeping a competitive advantage over the other players.

by halfdan 13y ago

Counter-espionage is sadly the wrong way to go.. we already had a cold war and this seems to become cold war part 2.0 with everyone hiding behind their iron curtains.

th0br0 13y ago

Most likely this won't lead to anything and is just a press release meant to appease the masses... I don't believe that our politicians would truly suddenly make this roundabout turn. Besides, the article only says that this is being considered and that talks (probably) haven't even started yet.

cnvogel 13y ago
Well... it's a significant change of words, though. Up to recently, the German cabinet claimed to be content with the affirmation of U.S. officials to only work within the boundaries of German and U.S. laws. The level of blind trust in "our allies" was astonishing, for example they called allegations backed by the Snowden documents "unfounded". Few months ago they've sent a few secretaries over to negotiate an non-binding letter of "no spy" intent, that the U.S. obviously didn't want to agree to (because no autonomous state would). So, now they finally seem to have come to the conclusion that indeed we (as a state) are spied upon, for a myriad of reasons, which is quite an accomplishment for these naíve guys and girls.

qgi 13y ago

Sad, but they've got basically forced to take action by the US and UK agencies. This is somewhat worse than the cold war because the US and Europe do consider each other to be allies, not enemies.

res0nat0r 13y ago
They were surely already doing this, just making an issue about it in the press to score some political points.
anonymousab 13y ago
Not really. It's already been established that the German government was partway complicit in GCHQs activities in the region.

smtddr 13y ago

>>this seems to become cold war part 2.0 Based on the Snowden leak, I don't think the USA knew Cold War 1.0 was over.

f_salmon 13y ago
For the US, this is an economic war. It's about gaining/keeping a competitive advantage over the other players.