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>stop using it You are ignoring the reality of network effects. My friends will post photos that include me on Facebook whether I have an account with them or

>stop using it You are ignoring the reality of network effects. My friends will post photos that include me on Facebook whether I have an account with them or not. My friends will coordinate activities with one another via the group chat and event invitation facilities, including location metadata and description context whether I participate in the discussion or not. Whether you have the choice to give Facebook data about you is increasingly out of your hands.

selmnoo 13y ago
Speaking as someone whose pictures ended up on Facebook (without me even having a Facebook account), I can't even begin to describe how frustrated I feel about this. I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences.
- Atroxide 13y ago
  What does this have to do with Facebook? Anyone can take a picture and share it without your consent.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Facebook made that behaviour normal, and it provides tagging and facial recognition to make it easier. Privacy controls were changing. Posting to groups is slightly trickier than it needs to be. (I only ever post photos to public or to a single group, but selecting that group takes a couple of clicks). While I can agree that these problems are not exclusive to Facebook I am far more likely to have the problem on Facebook than other networks because of the sheer size of the FB userbase.
    - jasonlotito 13y ago
      > Facebook made that behavior normal No, that behavior has existed since newspapers started printing pictures. You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it.
      - nitrogen 13y ago
        You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it. There's the saying, "Quantity has a quality all its own." Turning a thing from an "occasionally" into an "always" can effectively change the nature of the thing entirely.
        jasonlotito 13y ago
        Yes, because of the internet, your friends can take pictures of you and share them online. You won't tell them to not take pictures of you, nor will you ask them not to share them online. That's the internet's responsibility.
        nitrogen 13y ago
        If Facebook uses its size to socially engineer users into uploading photos of others, then that's Facebook's responsibility.
    - sliverstorm 13y ago
      Facebook made that behaviour normal What, before Facebook you never showed up in your friends' photo album? Or your friends just never let anyone see their photo album? Because I know neither of those were true for me.
      - DanBC 13y ago
        My friends' photo albums weren't online or had low pagerank or were otherwise unlikely to return anything for a search of my name.
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  >> " I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences." So rather than speak to your friends about photos that you are in you would prefer hackers to takedown Facebook and for your friends to lose all their photos and other content... If you're concerned don't let people take pictures of you. If you are as concerned as you sound don't leave the house. People can take your picture in public and do what they like with it. This is only going to happen more and more as cameras get smaller and put in more places.
  - pekk 13y ago
    No way to stop Facebook's unethical operations. "Don't leave the house haw haw" is not a valid response to objections to Facebook's unethical operations.
    - k-mcgrady 13y ago
      >> ""Don't leave the house haw haw" is not a valid response to objections to Facebook's unethical operations." My point was that this is nothing to do with Facebook. If you go out in public people can take your picture and they can put it on any website they wish. They can publish it in print media too. Facebook preventing you from taking down any photo you appear in isn't unusual - it seems like the best option they have. If group photos started disappearing from my account because one of my friends who voluntarily appeared in them was paranoid I'd be pissed off. For a lot of people that's the only copy of the photo they have. To Facebook it's a choice between pissing off users and satisfying the paranoid who don't even use Facebook. Seems like a simple choice to me.
  - hdevalence 13y ago
    > If you are as concerned as you sound don't leave the house. People can take your picture in public and do what they like with it. sounds like exactly the kind of attitude that >> I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. is complaining about.
- com2kid 13y ago
  > I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. I have friends who have asked exactly this of me. Being a friend, I took the photos down.
res0nat0r 13y ago
None of these things are Facebooks fault.
- illuminate 13y ago
  The inability for a person to have their online persona is Facebook's and all other user-generated content/Social Network provider.
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    The issue above is your friends posting pics of you online without your consent. That is a problem between your friends and yourself, not Facebook.
lostlogin 13y ago
The language people use (general statement rather than directed at you specifically) is almost like talking to an addict. If people just stopped giving them data it would almost totally stop the flow to Facebook specific to them. Yes people post images with me in them occasionally, but that is about it. I haven't even had one of the requests to join in years.

selmnoo 13y ago

Speaking as someone whose pictures ended up on Facebook (without me even having a Facebook account), I can't even begin to describe how frustrated I feel about this. I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences.

Atroxide 13y ago
What does this have to do with Facebook? Anyone can take a picture and share it without your consent.
- DanBC 13y ago
  Facebook made that behaviour normal, and it provides tagging and facial recognition to make it easier. Privacy controls were changing. Posting to groups is slightly trickier than it needs to be. (I only ever post photos to public or to a single group, but selecting that group takes a couple of clicks). While I can agree that these problems are not exclusive to Facebook I am far more likely to have the problem on Facebook than other networks because of the sheer size of the FB userbase.
  - jasonlotito 13y ago
    > Facebook made that behavior normal No, that behavior has existed since newspapers started printing pictures. You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it.
    - nitrogen 13y ago
      You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it. There's the saying, "Quantity has a quality all its own." Turning a thing from an "occasionally" into an "always" can effectively change the nature of the thing entirely.
      - jasonlotito 13y ago
        Yes, because of the internet, your friends can take pictures of you and share them online. You won't tell them to not take pictures of you, nor will you ask them not to share them online. That's the internet's responsibility.
        nitrogen 13y ago
        If Facebook uses its size to socially engineer users into uploading photos of others, then that's Facebook's responsibility.
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    Facebook made that behaviour normal What, before Facebook you never showed up in your friends' photo album? Or your friends just never let anyone see their photo album? Because I know neither of those were true for me.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      My friends' photo albums weren't online or had low pagerank or were otherwise unlikely to return anything for a search of my name.
k-mcgrady 13y ago
>> " I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences." So rather than speak to your friends about photos that you are in you would prefer hackers to takedown Facebook and for your friends to lose all their photos and other content... If you're concerned don't let people take pictures of you. If you are as concerned as you sound don't leave the house. People can take your picture in public and do what they like with it. This is only going to happen more and more as cameras get smaller and put in more places.
- pekk 13y ago
  No way to stop Facebook's unethical operations. "Don't leave the house haw haw" is not a valid response to objections to Facebook's unethical operations.
  - k-mcgrady 13y ago
    >> ""Don't leave the house haw haw" is not a valid response to objections to Facebook's unethical operations." My point was that this is nothing to do with Facebook. If you go out in public people can take your picture and they can put it on any website they wish. They can publish it in print media too. Facebook preventing you from taking down any photo you appear in isn't unusual - it seems like the best option they have. If group photos started disappearing from my account because one of my friends who voluntarily appeared in them was paranoid I'd be pissed off. For a lot of people that's the only copy of the photo they have. To Facebook it's a choice between pissing off users and satisfying the paranoid who don't even use Facebook. Seems like a simple choice to me.
- hdevalence 13y ago
  > If you are as concerned as you sound don't leave the house. People can take your picture in public and do what they like with it. sounds like exactly the kind of attitude that >> I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. is complaining about.
com2kid 13y ago
> I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. I have friends who have asked exactly this of me. Being a friend, I took the photos down.

res0nat0r 13y ago

None of these things are Facebooks fault.

illuminate 13y ago
The inability for a person to have their online persona is Facebook's and all other user-generated content/Social Network provider.
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  The issue above is your friends posting pics of you online without your consent. That is a problem between your friends and yourself, not Facebook.

lostlogin 13y ago

The language people use (general statement rather than directed at you specifically) is almost like talking to an addict. If people just stopped giving them data it would almost totally stop the flow to Facebook specific to them. Yes people post images with me in them occasionally, but that is about it. I haven't even had one of the requests to join in years.