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I can offer an instantly effective alternative to "someone needs to supervise the social network," stop using it. The terrible tyranny of facebook has to be the

I can offer an instantly effective alternative to "someone needs to supervise the social network," stop using it. The terrible tyranny of facebook has to be the epitome of first world problems. Why are your kids there? In your own words, it's a professional risk, den of commercialism, not to mention the inevitable psychological damage from refreshing a webpage instead of having actual social interactions. And it's not even hip any more.

sheetjs 13y ago
In light of http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-comment-that-ruined-a-life/full/ http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-c... and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7230256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7230256 and the credence the legal system apparently gave to Facebook, I suspect it's very important for your children to have Facebook accounts, lest someone create one in their name and destroy their lives
- spindritf 13y ago
  Having an account doesn't protect you from someone setting up another account with the same name. There are legitimately people with identical names, especially at facebook scale. And the case you're linking to does not involve impersonation. Finally, you can set up an account and never use it so they have nothing to snoop on or use.
omegaworks 13y ago
>stop using it You are ignoring the reality of network effects. My friends will post photos that include me on Facebook whether I have an account with them or not. My friends will coordinate activities with one another via the group chat and event invitation facilities, including location metadata and description context whether I participate in the discussion or not. Whether you have the choice to give Facebook data about you is increasingly out of your hands.
- selmnoo 13y ago
  Speaking as someone whose pictures ended up on Facebook (without me even having a Facebook account), I can't even begin to describe how frustrated I feel about this. I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences.
  - Atroxide 13y ago
    What does this have to do with Facebook? Anyone can take a picture and share it without your consent.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      Facebook made that behaviour normal, and it provides tagging and facial recognition to make it easier. Privacy controls were changing. Posting to groups is slightly trickier than it needs to be. (I only ever post photos to public or to a single group, but selecting that group takes a couple of clicks). While I can agree that these problems are not exclusive to Facebook I am far more likely to have the problem on Facebook than other networks because of the sheer size of the FB userbase.
      - jasonlotito 13y ago
        > Facebook made that behavior normal No, that behavior has existed since newspapers started printing pictures. You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it.
        nitrogen 13y ago
        You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it. There's the saying, "Quantity has a quality all its own." Turning a thing from an "occasionally" into an "always" can effectively change the nature of the thing entirely.

sheetjs 13y ago

In light of http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-comment-that-ruined-a-life/full/ http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-c... and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7230256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7230256 and the credence the legal system apparently gave to Facebook, I suspect it's very important for your children to have Facebook accounts, lest someone create one in their name and destroy their lives

spindritf 13y ago
Having an account doesn't protect you from someone setting up another account with the same name. There are legitimately people with identical names, especially at facebook scale. And the case you're linking to does not involve impersonation. Finally, you can set up an account and never use it so they have nothing to snoop on or use.

omegaworks 13y ago

>stop using it You are ignoring the reality of network effects. My friends will post photos that include me on Facebook whether I have an account with them or not. My friends will coordinate activities with one another via the group chat and event invitation facilities, including location metadata and description context whether I participate in the discussion or not. Whether you have the choice to give Facebook data about you is increasingly out of your hands.

selmnoo 13y ago
Speaking as someone whose pictures ended up on Facebook (without me even having a Facebook account), I can't even begin to describe how frustrated I feel about this. I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences.
- Atroxide 13y ago
  What does this have to do with Facebook? Anyone can take a picture and share it without your consent.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Facebook made that behaviour normal, and it provides tagging and facial recognition to make it easier. Privacy controls were changing. Posting to groups is slightly trickier than it needs to be. (I only ever post photos to public or to a single group, but selecting that group takes a couple of clicks). While I can agree that these problems are not exclusive to Facebook I am far more likely to have the problem on Facebook than other networks because of the sheer size of the FB userbase.
    - jasonlotito 13y ago
      > Facebook made that behavior normal No, that behavior has existed since newspapers started printing pictures. You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it.
      - nitrogen 13y ago
        You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it. There's the saying, "Quantity has a quality all its own." Turning a thing from an "occasionally" into an "always" can effectively change the nature of the thing entirely.