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UK health care is disgrace. Patients dying by starvation in hospitals corridors. Waiting period for some operations is months. Even simple xray took 6 hours of

by altero 13y ago

UK health care is disgrace. Patients dying by starvation in hospitals corridors. Waiting period for some operations is months. Even simple xray took 6 hours of waiting at emergency. My polish friends in case of problems head to airport, not British hospital (insurance would cover it). Also SS wolfs are on hunt and it is serious risk to bring children to UK doctor. GP broke hand to Slovak baby during vaccination, parents took it to hospital, where doctors called social services. Couple had to run from country to keep baby. Also France with exceent health system is just few kilometers away.

lafar6502 13y ago
Public health system in Poland has same problems as its UK counterpart. It's free, but public hospitals and clinics have notorious problems with service limits, wait times, financing, care level etc. But at the same time qualifications of doctors and other medical staff are quite high so they somehow make up for the shortcomings of the system (however, the long wait problem is unsolvable). I hope medical tourism improves the situation a bit by stimulating growth of non-public specialized clinics.
- jedrek 13y ago
  Insolvable? Charge 5zl per visit and watch wait times improve as the number old people who come in for socializing as much as medical care plummets.
  - lafar6502 13y ago
    Don't think so. I'm not talking about grannies spending a day socializing in the waiting room, but rather about people waiting for months or years for treatment, surgeries or transplants. Currently public healthcare logically assumes that many procedures will become unnecessary if you wait long enough.
- gedrap 13y ago
  Don't know about Poland but back in Lithuania solving that by a little bribe was a common way around, judging from what I've heard. Once I had to get off the dentists (private not public) chair because someone came in and gave a 'bribe' of... $8 (20LTL).
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    That's weird isn't it? I always imagined private dentists to work more like shops: you get your service for a list price. The idea of giving bribes during shopping baffles me. Russia here, which isn't known as being bribe free. Maybe it is extra regulated or price-controlled so non-market forces kick in? You needing them more than they needing to retain you as a customer, because supply becomes limited.
TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
I'm fairly certain that France's health service also has problems. I should also point out there is not one NHS, but four: The National Health Service (which is English), NHS Scotland, NHS Wales/GIG Cymru and Health and Social Care in Northern Ireland, the latter three being run by devolved Governments, not the UK Government.
cesarbs 13y ago
Wow, this is really surprising to me, considering it's the UK. Sounds exactly like the Brazilian SUS (our extremely dysfunctional universal healthcare system).
sequence7 13y ago
I'm sorry but this is just completely false. The UK health system has flaws yes but it is free at the point of use for anyone in the country and provides an extremely high level of care at a very low cost. You have to wait for non-essential operations yes, and the less essential the longer you have to wait. That's because it's not a private health care system where your treatment is based on your ability to pay. Of course you can always get better treatment if you want to pay to use it. You can do that in France if you like or you can do that in the UK. As for your baby story I would like to see some evidence that a GP broke a baby's hand and then forced the parents to flee the country to avoid having their baby taken by social services.
- altero 13y ago
  What is extremely false? This was said at British parliament. To quote Cameron: "people had to dring from flower vase, not to die of thirst". There are thousands of deaths because of basic neglect. As for my personal experience. I only wanted rentgen to see if my hand is broken. I could not just 'walk in' and buy a service, I would had to go through GP referral than booking specialist appointment and finally week latter have xray. The Emergency Room is used by everyone who needs prescription for flu, so I had to wait 6 hours in bloody line full of coughing people. I should have probably just walk in front of the hospital and call myself ambulance from parking lot. The healtcare is not free, as visitor from other EU country, my insurance company has to pay. Also local cresidents pay higher taxes. Sure there is no lawyer overhead, but that will only impress someone from US. As for waiting for non-essential operations, you probably meant non-life threating. Some procedures solve crippling pain, but are rated non-essential. And on top of that you can not choose hospital where you will go. Some hospitals are better, some are really bad. Obviously the elite lives in areas with better hospitals. The story about baby was in national Slovak news, and forced embassy to step in. I am too lazy to look for english translation, but there are other similar cases. The time line in this case is this: 1) Slovak couple comes with six months baby in hospital, it cries and has something with hand. They claim it had vaccination one day before at the same hand. 2) Doctor makes xray, finds hand is broken and fixate it. 3) Hospital calls SS and police. Couple is escorted by police to court straight from hospital with baby. 4) They get advocate assigned from court and the hearing starts at the same evening (5 hours after they come into hospital) 5) Their defendant is arrogant, tell them to shut up and does not explain anything. Plus he does not speak slovak and their english is not adequate for this stuff 6) Court postpones decision into other hearing. They are free to leave. At outside police is waiting to seize baby, officers do not believe court did not made decision. 7) At 11 PM they finally arrive home from hospital with baby. 8) At 4 AM they decide to leave country, at 6 AM they are on airplane to continental europe. 9) At 7:30 AM police came at their london door with order to seize baby 10) 2 days latter they contact slovak police, disclose their location and ask for help. They also contact media. I am really not going into more of those shit. I know several people who fled UK because of fear for their baby. Embassy even recommends to avoid giving birth in UK, since you could say something stupid, which would be held against you. This was 'majority white' slovak couple. Slovak gypsies have situation much much worse in London. I am sometimes called racist, but what SS is doing to gypsies, is miles behind the line.
lotsofmangos 13y ago
While there is free healthcare in Poland, 65% of people go private and also the life expectancy in Poland is 4 years less than the UK.

by altero 13y ago

lafar6502 13y ago

Public health system in Poland has same problems as its UK counterpart. It's free, but public hospitals and clinics have notorious problems with service limits, wait times, financing, care level etc. But at the same time qualifications of doctors and other medical staff are quite high so they somehow make up for the shortcomings of the system (however, the long wait problem is unsolvable). I hope medical tourism improves the situation a bit by stimulating growth of non-public specialized clinics.

jedrek 13y ago
Insolvable? Charge 5zl per visit and watch wait times improve as the number old people who come in for socializing as much as medical care plummets.
- lafar6502 13y ago
  Don't think so. I'm not talking about grannies spending a day socializing in the waiting room, but rather about people waiting for months or years for treatment, surgeries or transplants. Currently public healthcare logically assumes that many procedures will become unnecessary if you wait long enough.
gedrap 13y ago
Don't know about Poland but back in Lithuania solving that by a little bribe was a common way around, judging from what I've heard. Once I had to get off the dentists (private not public) chair because someone came in and gave a 'bribe' of... $8 (20LTL).
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  That's weird isn't it? I always imagined private dentists to work more like shops: you get your service for a list price. The idea of giving bribes during shopping baffles me. Russia here, which isn't known as being bribe free. Maybe it is extra regulated or price-controlled so non-market forces kick in? You needing them more than they needing to retain you as a customer, because supply becomes limited.

TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago

I'm fairly certain that France's health service also has problems. I should also point out there is not one NHS, but four: The National Health Service (which is English), NHS Scotland, NHS Wales/GIG Cymru and Health and Social Care in Northern Ireland, the latter three being run by devolved Governments, not the UK Government.

cesarbs 13y ago

Wow, this is really surprising to me, considering it's the UK. Sounds exactly like the Brazilian SUS (our extremely dysfunctional universal healthcare system).

sequence7 13y ago

I'm sorry but this is just completely false. The UK health system has flaws yes but it is free at the point of use for anyone in the country and provides an extremely high level of care at a very low cost. You have to wait for non-essential operations yes, and the less essential the longer you have to wait. That's because it's not a private health care system where your treatment is based on your ability to pay. Of course you can always get better treatment if you want to pay to use it. You can do that in France if you like or you can do that in the UK. As for your baby story I would like to see some evidence that a GP broke a baby's hand and then forced the parents to flee the country to avoid having their baby taken by social services.

altero 13y ago
What is extremely false? This was said at British parliament. To quote Cameron: "people had to dring from flower vase, not to die of thirst". There are thousands of deaths because of basic neglect. As for my personal experience. I only wanted rentgen to see if my hand is broken. I could not just 'walk in' and buy a service, I would had to go through GP referral than booking specialist appointment and finally week latter have xray. The Emergency Room is used by everyone who needs prescription for flu, so I had to wait 6 hours in bloody line full of coughing people. I should have probably just walk in front of the hospital and call myself ambulance from parking lot. The healtcare is not free, as visitor from other EU country, my insurance company has to pay. Also local cresidents pay higher taxes. Sure there is no lawyer overhead, but that will only impress someone from US. As for waiting for non-essential operations, you probably meant non-life threating. Some procedures solve crippling pain, but are rated non-essential. And on top of that you can not choose hospital where you will go. Some hospitals are better, some are really bad. Obviously the elite lives in areas with better hospitals. The story about baby was in national Slovak news, and forced embassy to step in. I am too lazy to look for english translation, but there are other similar cases. The time line in this case is this: 1) Slovak couple comes with six months baby in hospital, it cries and has something with hand. They claim it had vaccination one day before at the same hand. 2) Doctor makes xray, finds hand is broken and fixate it. 3) Hospital calls SS and police. Couple is escorted by police to court straight from hospital with baby. 4) They get advocate assigned from court and the hearing starts at the same evening (5 hours after they come into hospital) 5) Their defendant is arrogant, tell them to shut up and does not explain anything. Plus he does not speak slovak and their english is not adequate for this stuff 6) Court postpones decision into other hearing. They are free to leave. At outside police is waiting to seize baby, officers do not believe court did not made decision. 7) At 11 PM they finally arrive home from hospital with baby. 8) At 4 AM they decide to leave country, at 6 AM they are on airplane to continental europe. 9) At 7:30 AM police came at their london door with order to seize baby 10) 2 days latter they contact slovak police, disclose their location and ask for help. They also contact media. I am really not going into more of those shit. I know several people who fled UK because of fear for their baby. Embassy even recommends to avoid giving birth in UK, since you could say something stupid, which would be held against you. This was 'majority white' slovak couple. Slovak gypsies have situation much much worse in London. I am sometimes called racist, but what SS is doing to gypsies, is miles behind the line.

lotsofmangos 13y ago

While there is free healthcare in Poland, 65% of people go private and also the life expectancy in Poland is 4 years less than the UK.