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> The United States was last, in 19th place, with the highest rate of avoidable deaths. Alas, a negligible price to pay for Freedom™.
by _pmf_ 13y ago
> The United States was last, in 19th place, with the highest rate of avoidable deaths.
Alas, a negligible price to pay for Freedom™.
- swombat 13y agoFrance is a free country, by any sensible definition of the term. Sure, you can coin a definition of "free" that excludes France, but you can do that for any country, including (and perhaps especially) the United States. (or perhaps you were being sarcastic)
- escape_goat 13y agoPurely on mechanics, the "by any sensible definition" clause does make this a classic "no true Scotsman" argument. What you probably wish to argue is something like: "Those unique 'American freedoms' that ostensibly result in such a crappy health care system --- and the inevitability and necessity of this is highly debatable --- do not contribute nearly as much to actual freedom as you seem to think." What you are actually arguing is: "There exists no sensible definition of freedom wherein the citizens of the United States are free and the citizens of France are not." A disagreement which continues from this point will devolve quickly into an argument about when and how ideas are "sensible". This is perhaps a really interesting topic when pursued in its own right, but the assertion has, at that point, effectively derailed future debate about the different freedoms enjoyed by the French and Americans.
- mithras 13y agoDid the ™ not give it away?
- ekianjo 13y ago> France is a free country, by any sensible definition of the term. haha. Funny comment. There are probably a thousands ways the US is more Free than France. Let's not start by checking all the administrative barriers to do ANYTHING in France. The US is certainly not an exemplary model for Freedom anymore, but trying to compare France and US in terms of Freedom is a lost battle.
- Alex_MJ 13y agoInstead of tossing around hyperbole, can you perhaps point out some specifics?
- ekianjo 13y agoWhy don't you read "about democracy in America" from Tocqueville ? It's more than 200 years old but it's very relevant even to this day to understand the differences in terms of culture between France and the US. And the culture shapes the laws and the aspects of Freedom.
- chris_mahan 13y agoI am french, and I agree.
- fnsa 13y agoI am french, and I disagree.
- julie1 13y agoI am french and I don't think playing the dick contest on who has the biggest freedom is smart. Freedom in USA and France is decreasing because citizens are not involving themselves in the functioning of the Republics we live in. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
- rokhayakebe 13y agoI second Julie1 here, "When the citizen start to participate with their money, rather than their own self, the republic has been lost, taken away by the same politicians you are paying to write your laws and the militia you are paying for protection."
- julie1 13y ago«I am french, and I agree.» This should be quoted on the internet by the way.
- Retric 13y ago
- GalacticDomin8r 13y agoMore like Freedumb™, at least in our approach to healthcare.