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I really like Node, but I want a language with sane semantics. What's the best option apart from JS and CoffeScript. TypeScript is awesome, but I'm afraid that

by lukasm 13y ago

I really like Node, but I want a language with sane semantics. What's the best option apart from JS and CoffeScript. TypeScript is awesome, but I'm afraid that there will no good community, because of MS stigma.

codygman 13y ago
You can use Haskell for the same semantics if I understand you correctly. Actually coming from Node, Go might be a better fit.
- lukasm 13y ago
  In other words I would like to use language that runs on Node, but it's not JS or CS
rubiquity 13y ago
When did sane and static typing become synonymous?
- lukasm 13y ago
  sane has nothing to do with static typing. Python is a language which is dynamic and has a sane semantics. e.g. in JS {} + {} is NaN and many other examples.
  - jkrems 13y ago
    There's a language where `{} + {}` does something useful? Or is the complaint that it should `TypeError`?
    - pekk 13y ago
      If it does anything at all, it certainly shouldn't generate NaN
      - tel 13y ago
        Why not? If (+) is numeric addition and coercion is free then {} is NaN and so is {} and so is NaN + (anything) and so is (anything) + NaN. Which is not to say that it's a good choice, but instead to say that the badness stems from overloading (+) too much and having free coercion.
    - anonymouz 13y ago
      It's obviously {}, duh! ;) (In one of the ways of constructing the natural numbers within ZFC set theory in mathematics, one identifies 0 with the empty set {}, 1 with {{}}={0}, 2 with { {}, {{}}} = {0,1}, and so on.)
  - tel 13y ago
    Right, sane semantics: http://cs.brown.edu/research/plt/dl/lambda-py/lambda-py.pdf http://cs.brown.edu/research/plt/dl/lambda-py/lambda-py.pdf Saner perhaps, but still ungodly complex with weird edge cases.
  - rubiquity 13y ago
    How would using TypeScript fix that?
cgag 13y ago
Clojurescript sane and pretty mature now. http://himera.herokuapp.com/synonym.html http://himera.herokuapp.com/synonym.html
outside1234 13y ago
Definitely a good community, have a look at all of the type libraries alone: https://github.com/borisyankov/DefinitelyTyped https://github.com/borisyankov/DefinitelyTyped
michaelwww 13y ago
Google Dart and TypeScript are pretty good alternatives to JS in some cases and Dart has the notion of streams. https://www.dartlang.org/docs/tutorials/streams/ https://www.dartlang.org/docs/tutorials/streams/
_greim_ 13y ago
Perhaps Dart?

by lukasm 13y ago

codygman 13y ago

You can use Haskell for the same semantics if I understand you correctly. Actually coming from Node, Go might be a better fit.

lukasm 13y ago
In other words I would like to use language that runs on Node, but it's not JS or CS

rubiquity 13y ago

When did sane and static typing become synonymous?

lukasm 13y ago
sane has nothing to do with static typing. Python is a language which is dynamic and has a sane semantics. e.g. in JS {} + {} is NaN and many other examples.
- jkrems 13y ago
  There's a language where `{} + {}` does something useful? Or is the complaint that it should `TypeError`?
  - pekk 13y ago
    If it does anything at all, it certainly shouldn't generate NaN
    - tel 13y ago
      Why not? If (+) is numeric addition and coercion is free then {} is NaN and so is {} and so is NaN + (anything) and so is (anything) + NaN. Which is not to say that it's a good choice, but instead to say that the badness stems from overloading (+) too much and having free coercion.
  - anonymouz 13y ago
    It's obviously {}, duh! ;) (In one of the ways of constructing the natural numbers within ZFC set theory in mathematics, one identifies 0 with the empty set {}, 1 with {{}}={0}, 2 with { {}, {{}}} = {0,1}, and so on.)
- tel 13y ago
  Right, sane semantics: http://cs.brown.edu/research/plt/dl/lambda-py/lambda-py.pdf http://cs.brown.edu/research/plt/dl/lambda-py/lambda-py.pdf Saner perhaps, but still ungodly complex with weird edge cases.
- rubiquity 13y ago
  How would using TypeScript fix that?

cgag 13y ago

Clojurescript sane and pretty mature now. http://himera.herokuapp.com/synonym.html http://himera.herokuapp.com/synonym.html

outside1234 13y ago

Definitely a good community, have a look at all of the type libraries alone: https://github.com/borisyankov/DefinitelyTyped https://github.com/borisyankov/DefinitelyTyped

michaelwww 13y ago

Google Dart and TypeScript are pretty good alternatives to JS in some cases and Dart has the notion of streams. https://www.dartlang.org/docs/tutorials/streams/ https://www.dartlang.org/docs/tutorials/streams/

_greim_ 13y ago

Perhaps Dart?