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Red: help us build the first "full-stack" programming language

9 points by applecore 13y ago

lukasm 13y ago
Browsed through dozen of pages, haven't seen a single line of code, just a lot of marketing like bull.
- abc_lisper 13y ago
  They do have the sources under http://www.red-lang.org/p/download.html http://www.red-lang.org/p/download.html
- gus_massa 13y ago
  Some (very small) snippets: http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-1 http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-1
memracom 13y ago
That horse has bolted long ago. Python, Ruby, Javascript, PHP. You name it, they can all do full stack. Even C can be used, i.e. http://doom.pdox.net/ http://doom.pdox.net/ The problem with most new languages is that they solve just one or two existing problems. Just like politics in a multiparty democracy like Canada, UK, Germany and even Russia, the major parties can adopt ideas promoted by one of the lesser parties and then there is no need for voters to take the risk and elect the lesser party. For example, Python adopted more and more functional features over the last 10 years and now you can write perfectly good Functional Reactive code in Python. Javascript has lagged a bit, but the standards work is steadily adding features and catching up. Even Java 8 is on this bandwagon. So, there is no need to create whole new ecosystems around a whole new language.
- danellis 13y ago
  Other than C, none of those languages can be used at the bottom of the stack.
  - rm445 13y ago
    How low does the stack go? C isn't used for the microcode translating instructions inside the CPU. I suspect that parent poster was thinking of the 'web stack', which seems to be what 'full-stack programmers' are recruited for.
    - danellis 13y ago
      It goes down as far as assembly language and C does, according to the diagram on the posted page. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xhOP35Dm99w/UuXFKgY2dlI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YQu98_pPDjw/s1600/reichart-abstraction-diagram.png http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xhOP35Dm99w/UuXFKgY2dlI/AAAAAAAAAG...
      - rm445 13y ago
        Haha, quite right, and well spotted.
joehillen 13y ago
Wow, I'd be interested if it wasn't some of the worst syntax I'd ever seen. https://github.com/red/red/blob/master/system/emitter.r https://github.com/red/red/blob/master/system/emitter.r
- rm445 13y ago
  The syntax has its good points, or at least opinions about what is good despite them being non-mainstream. Such as function calls and sequences without brackets or separators. Question marks, hyphens and other symbols allowed in identifiers.
ksec 13y ago
I could only think of two current languages that does this or close to this. 1. Is Lua / LuaJIT. Extremely fast. Some Drivers were written from it. 2. Rust with some tinkering. But I honestly think Hardware -> Application Level should be one languages while scripting to DSL would be another. And that i personally prefer Rust and Ruby.
golem_de 13y ago
wait on microsoft, what they make out of roslyn and singularity/midori

9 points by applecore 13y ago

lukasm 13y ago

Browsed through dozen of pages, haven't seen a single line of code, just a lot of marketing like bull.

abc_lisper 13y ago
They do have the sources under http://www.red-lang.org/p/download.html http://www.red-lang.org/p/download.html
gus_massa 13y ago
Some (very small) snippets: http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-1 http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-1

memracom 13y ago

That horse has bolted long ago. Python, Ruby, Javascript, PHP. You name it, they can all do full stack. Even C can be used, i.e. http://doom.pdox.net/ http://doom.pdox.net/ The problem with most new languages is that they solve just one or two existing problems. Just like politics in a multiparty democracy like Canada, UK, Germany and even Russia, the major parties can adopt ideas promoted by one of the lesser parties and then there is no need for voters to take the risk and elect the lesser party. For example, Python adopted more and more functional features over the last 10 years and now you can write perfectly good Functional Reactive code in Python. Javascript has lagged a bit, but the standards work is steadily adding features and catching up. Even Java 8 is on this bandwagon. So, there is no need to create whole new ecosystems around a whole new language.

danellis 13y ago
Other than C, none of those languages can be used at the bottom of the stack.
- rm445 13y ago
  How low does the stack go? C isn't used for the microcode translating instructions inside the CPU. I suspect that parent poster was thinking of the 'web stack', which seems to be what 'full-stack programmers' are recruited for.
  - danellis 13y ago
    It goes down as far as assembly language and C does, according to the diagram on the posted page. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xhOP35Dm99w/UuXFKgY2dlI/AAAAAAAAAGA/YQu98_pPDjw/s1600/reichart-abstraction-diagram.png http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xhOP35Dm99w/UuXFKgY2dlI/AAAAAAAAAG...
    - rm445 13y ago
      Haha, quite right, and well spotted.

joehillen 13y ago

Wow, I'd be interested if it wasn't some of the worst syntax I'd ever seen. https://github.com/red/red/blob/master/system/emitter.r https://github.com/red/red/blob/master/system/emitter.r

rm445 13y ago
The syntax has its good points, or at least opinions about what is good despite them being non-mainstream. Such as function calls and sequences without brackets or separators. Question marks, hyphens and other symbols allowed in identifiers.

ksec 13y ago

I could only think of two current languages that does this or close to this. 1. Is Lua / LuaJIT. Extremely fast. Some Drivers were written from it. 2. Rust with some tinkering. But I honestly think Hardware -> Application Level should be one languages while scripting to DSL would be another. And that i personally prefer Rust and Ruby.

golem_de 13y ago

wait on microsoft, what they make out of roslyn and singularity/midori