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Trello isn't specifically made for software project management, but I see your point. I'm not sure exactly what a better pitch would be. The one I have in my he

by hpvic03 13y ago

Trello isn't specifically made for software project management, but I see your point. I'm not sure exactly what a better pitch would be. The one I have in my head is that Phaser is "Trello meets Pivotal Tracker".

notJim 13y ago
It's not clear what Phaser has that Trello doesn't, other than more specific names for things, and the Arc idea, which doesn't seem specific to software, other than the name.
- hpvic03 13y ago
  You also get the following with Phaser: - create and group many stories at once with indentation. you can optionally use Vim for this - stories have statuses that keep track of state: Started, Finished, Delivered, Accepted, and Rejected. Those two things and Arcs are what make it different. I plan to add more features in the future which will make it more specific to software, such as robust statistics and predictions around story completion.
robdrimmie 13y ago
I mean, it kind of is. It's been abstracted certainly, and kanban was used for all kinds of project management before software but it was made by a software company that makes tools and products for programmers, who scratched their own itch first. Their initial customer base is developers because they're building on their existing Fog Bugz (and stackexchange a little bit, because of Joel), and you need to differentiate yourself more than you are. Even based on the screenshots on your site, I'd look at that and say "I'm just going to use Trello". I would just not bring Trello into the picture at all. Everyone who has knowledge of online management tools is going to compare you to them without your help. What you are doing is an online kanban tool for software development, with vim-like functionality in the browser. Maybe something like "An opinionated kanban workflow for software projects". Make more out of the fact that you're doing less than your competition. You're exactly the right tool for a particular audience, play to that strength.
- hpvic03 13y ago
  I see what you are saying. Thanks for the feedback.
tghw 13y ago
Actually, it very much was made with software project management in mind. The problem Trello was trying to solve was that the traditional way of doing tickets (Trac/FogBugz/Jira) doesn't give a manager a very good high level view of what everyone is working on at the moment and how projects are progressing. Trello was designed with that goal in mind and, frankly, does a pretty good job of it. It also works well for many other types of projects, because it is extremely flexible and unopinionated about how you do things, which was in mind as well, but was also somewhat incidental. Source: I worked on Trello for six months before I left Fog Creek.

by hpvic03 13y ago

notJim 13y ago

It's not clear what Phaser has that Trello doesn't, other than more specific names for things, and the Arc idea, which doesn't seem specific to software, other than the name.

hpvic03 13y ago
You also get the following with Phaser: - create and group many stories at once with indentation. you can optionally use Vim for this - stories have statuses that keep track of state: Started, Finished, Delivered, Accepted, and Rejected. Those two things and Arcs are what make it different. I plan to add more features in the future which will make it more specific to software, such as robust statistics and predictions around story completion.

robdrimmie 13y ago

I mean, it kind of is. It's been abstracted certainly, and kanban was used for all kinds of project management before software but it was made by a software company that makes tools and products for programmers, who scratched their own itch first. Their initial customer base is developers because they're building on their existing Fog Bugz (and stackexchange a little bit, because of Joel), and you need to differentiate yourself more than you are. Even based on the screenshots on your site, I'd look at that and say "I'm just going to use Trello". I would just not bring Trello into the picture at all. Everyone who has knowledge of online management tools is going to compare you to them without your help. What you are doing is an online kanban tool for software development, with vim-like functionality in the browser. Maybe something like "An opinionated kanban workflow for software projects". Make more out of the fact that you're doing less than your competition. You're exactly the right tool for a particular audience, play to that strength.

hpvic03 13y ago
I see what you are saying. Thanks for the feedback.

tghw 13y ago

Actually, it very much was made with software project management in mind. The problem Trello was trying to solve was that the traditional way of doing tickets (Trac/FogBugz/Jira) doesn't give a manager a very good high level view of what everyone is working on at the moment and how projects are progressing. Trello was designed with that goal in mind and, frankly, does a pretty good job of it. It also works well for many other types of projects, because it is extremely flexible and unopinionated about how you do things, which was in mind as well, but was also somewhat incidental. Source: I worked on Trello for six months before I left Fog Creek.