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It is the common opinion that their needs (re Wayland/Mir) are not technical, but related to defining and shipping the results product resulting of those effort

It is the common opinion that their needs (re Wayland/Mir) are not technical, but related to defining and shipping the results product resulting of those efforts.

ZenoArrow 13y ago
That's how it appears, but Canonical wouldn't duplicate work unless they thought it was in their best interests, the question then becomes what needs are they trying to meet? Perhaps the needs are technical, perhaps not. I understand part of the issue was Canonical changing their support for Wayland, but what exactly does Mir do to make developers lives harder? Most developers don't write for X directly, nor will most developers write for Wayland or Mir directly, so as long as the library support is in place then why should we care? I don't hear Android developers complaining about Android using its own window manager. If Canonical want to pay extra for their own window manager, and are prepared to work on the libraries that make developers lives easier, what are we really losing?
- chris_wot 13y ago
  "That's how it appears, but Canonical wouldn't duplicate work unless they thought it was in their best interests" Yes, their best interests. Not to the Linux ecosystem.
  - ersii 13y ago
    Maybe if they do what's in their best interest, the best things happens for the Linux/nix ecosystem. I'm not exactly sure what your arguing about; All corporate entities seem to (perhaps quite reasonable considering they're corporations) cater to their* own interests first. From what I've gathered, we have, as a community gained a lot from that by looking at Red Hat Inc, Canonical Ltd, SuSE GmbH/Novell/Attachmate Group and others contributions.
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      Give me an example where Red Hat or SuSE have started a brand new project that directly competes with an existing effort with broad support from the open source community?
      - ZenoArrow 13y ago
        Best example is probably .deb (1995) vs. .rpm (1997).

It is the common opinion that their needs (re Wayland/Mir) are not technical, but related to defining and shipping the results product resulting of those efforts.

ZenoArrow 13y ago

That's how it appears, but Canonical wouldn't duplicate work unless they thought it was in their best interests, the question then becomes what needs are they trying to meet? Perhaps the needs are technical, perhaps not. I understand part of the issue was Canonical changing their support for Wayland, but what exactly does Mir do to make developers lives harder? Most developers don't write for X directly, nor will most developers write for Wayland or Mir directly, so as long as the library support is in place then why should we care? I don't hear Android developers complaining about Android using its own window manager. If Canonical want to pay extra for their own window manager, and are prepared to work on the libraries that make developers lives easier, what are we really losing?

chris_wot 13y ago
"That's how it appears, but Canonical wouldn't duplicate work unless they thought it was in their best interests" Yes, their best interests. Not to the Linux ecosystem.
- ersii 13y ago
  Maybe if they do what's in their best interest, the best things happens for the Linux/nix ecosystem. I'm not exactly sure what your arguing about; All corporate entities seem to (perhaps quite reasonable considering they're corporations) cater to their* own interests first. From what I've gathered, we have, as a community gained a lot from that by looking at Red Hat Inc, Canonical Ltd, SuSE GmbH/Novell/Attachmate Group and others contributions.
  - chris_wot 13y ago
    Give me an example where Red Hat or SuSE have started a brand new project that directly competes with an existing effort with broad support from the open source community?
    - ZenoArrow 13y ago
      Best example is probably .deb (1995) vs. .rpm (1997).