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...was granted a divorce because he was constantly working calculus problems

36 points by antman 13y ago

BlackDeath3 13y ago
Interesting article. While the title of this submission hooked me and brought me here, it may need a little reworking as well.
EpicEng 13y ago
"...the FBI set out to out him as a “communist sympathizer” in a witch hunt characteristic of the Cold War era." "As for Feynman’s bongo drums, well, that’s true." I'm not sure I understand the point of this article (if you can even call it that.) Is the author claiming that the wife's testimony is false, or perhaps that it was never even given and the entire paragraph is a fabrication of the FBI? I don't get it. People fight, everyone has their own version, and nasty things come up in a divorce proceeding. I obviously have no idea if this account is 100% accurate, but it sounds like the author is claiming that it is not. Based upon what evidence I do not know.
- quasse 13y ago
  I think the author is providing you some background information about why the files exist, and then saying that the story about the drums and calculus is probably true. I don't see any claim in there that the wife was a lying tool of the FBI. These files would have been compiled after the divorce anyway.
  - EpicEng 13y ago
    The author certainly implies that those charges are false.
qwerta 13y ago
Before we start flamewar, please keep on mind this happened in 50ies.
brandonhsiao 13y ago
Wow, I can completely see that happening. His anger could have been more healthily displaced, but being interrupted while you're thinking is actually the most frustrating thing ever. From my own experience the biggest problem is that sometimes when you're thinking you don't even realize it, and it's not till you're interrupted that you do. And once you're self-aware, the flow of thoughts required with the hardest kinds of thinking comes to a stop. And if this guy is thinking about the kind of insanely hard stuff he thought about, man, I can't imagine how much that would've sucked.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  "But I just had a quick question! It will only take two seconds of your time!" To me, the real problem is that a lot of people don't understand that the duration of the interrupting event itself is often the lesser of the distractions. The fifteen minutes I have to spend getting my head back on-track afterward is the real pain-in-the-ass, and what are the chances that those fifteen minutes go uninterrupted?
  - lutusp 13y ago
    Promises, promises. In my experience, women produce very few actual two-second interruptions. EDIT: Hey downvoters -- I did say "in my experience". I'm not making a statement about all women.
    - LnxPrgr3 13y ago
      True for men too. If someone has a "quick question" where I work, I might as well block off the next hour.
      - lutusp 13y ago
        > True for men too. Yes, absolutely, and notwithstanding the popular myth that men are more taciturn than women.
  - danielweber 13y ago
Aqueous 13y ago
"he attacked her" - is this true? Richard Feynman is a personal hero of mine, but if he became violent towards his wife I might view him in a different light. Also, what's "bric-a-brac?"
- quarterto 13y ago
  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bric-a-brac http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bric-a-brac
  - Aqueous 13y ago
    Thanks.
- DerKommissar 13y ago
  I have read that before no fault divorces it was common to make up something that someone did in order to be granted a divorce. It's sad, but I think what he is described as doing was seen as more reasonable back then.
  - rayiner 13y ago
    Hitting your wife was also more acceptable back then.
- Delmania 13y ago
  On the flipside: http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-to-departed-wife.html http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-t... He was human, with all our failings and emotions.
- lutusp 13y ago
  > "he attacked her" - is this true? We would first need to define "attacked". There are verbal attacks, chain-saw attacks, and much territory between them. Also, during the divorce proceeding, his soon-to-be-ex-wife primarily complained about his tendency to be lost in thought, not his tendency to attack her if she interrupted him. My point is that if he actually physically attacked her, she would not have needed to mention his annoying preference for calculus.
fsck--off 13y ago
Keep in mind that there was no such thing as a no-fault divorce in the U.S until 1969. So the listed reasons for divorce — which in this case included violence — are not reliable because they were often invented out of necessity.
- jgalt212 13y ago
  Interesting. I can only imagine how this discusson would take place on Jezebel. Know your audience, I guess. I, like many here, would not be happy to read negative things about Feynman who is a hero to many in this community.
  - phillmv 13y ago
    *shrug. Reading between the lines from the various writings he put out, I think the odds were good that he was an asshole to a lot of people. He had a lot of privilege from being, on average, the smartest dick in a given room, and being the right age and in the right place to enjoy the Greatest Period of Prosperity We've Ever Known. He was probably a blast at parties and exhilarating to work alongside and shoot the shit with, but also probably really flakey and insufferable if you needed something from him. For me, the most telling moment in the Feynman comic (http://www.amazon.com/Feynman-Jim-Ottaviani/dp/1596438274 http://www.amazon.com/Feynman-Jim-Ottaviani/dp/1596438274) was how little attention was paid to his kids. You gotta take the good with the bad. Steve Jobs was a manipulative douchebag, but also conniving, ruthless and full of taste.
falconfunction 13y ago
Well, he was crazy smart, loved life, strip clubs, and interesting things. It is pretty fucked up that he thought she was okay with that behavior towards her. http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-to-departed-wife.html http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-t...
Delmania 13y ago
I think I've read that people who are very intelligent are also very passionate, which I guess is why Fenyman wrote a touching love letter to his (dead) first wife and (allegedly) beat his second wife. Also keep in mind the notion of "emotional intelligence" is relatively new, so given the time period and the person, this really isn't a surprise.
- judk 13y ago
  Neither of those activities are the exclusive domain of the "very intelligent".
lutusp 13y ago
This is a classic Internet daisy chain of the worst sort. The article linked above (http://explore.noodle.org/post/73954140444/the-appointees-wife-was-granted-a-divorce-from http://explore.noodle.org/post/73954140444/the-appointees-wi...) acquired its content from MetaFilter (http://www.metafilter.com/116688/The-FBI-has-a-Do-Not-Contact-List http://www.metafilter.com/116688/The-FBI-has-a-Do-Not-Contac...), which in turn acquired its content from MuckRock (https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2012/jun/06/feynman-files-professors-invitation-past-iron-curt/ https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2012/jun/06/feynman-f...), which acquired its content from an FOI request from the FBI (https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi-files-on-richard-feynman-1165/ https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi...) which produced an historical 361-page archive (https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi-files-on-richard-feynman-1165/#366921-responsive-documents https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi...) Surprising no one, the article linked above manages to locate the most tabloid-oriented part of the 361-page FBI archive, and omit the more interesting and politically educational parts. Here's a link to a browsable version the source documents: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi-files-on-richard-feynman-1165/#366921-responsive-documents https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi... Here's a direct link to the PDF archive: https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Master_of_Deception.pdf https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Mas...
JoeAltmaier 13y ago
Spouses can be so sensitive.

36 points by antman 13y ago

Interesting article. While the title of this submission hooked me and brought me here, it may need a little reworking as well.

EpicEng 13y ago

"...the FBI set out to out him as a “communist sympathizer” in a witch hunt characteristic of the Cold War era." "As for Feynman’s bongo drums, well, that’s true." I'm not sure I understand the point of this article (if you can even call it that.) Is the author claiming that the wife's testimony is false, or perhaps that it was never even given and the entire paragraph is a fabrication of the FBI? I don't get it. People fight, everyone has their own version, and nasty things come up in a divorce proceeding. I obviously have no idea if this account is 100% accurate, but it sounds like the author is claiming that it is not. Based upon what evidence I do not know.

quasse 13y ago
I think the author is providing you some background information about why the files exist, and then saying that the story about the drums and calculus is probably true. I don't see any claim in there that the wife was a lying tool of the FBI. These files would have been compiled after the divorce anyway.
- EpicEng 13y ago
  The author certainly implies that those charges are false.

qwerta 13y ago

Before we start flamewar, please keep on mind this happened in 50ies.

brandonhsiao 13y ago

Wow, I can completely see that happening. His anger could have been more healthily displaced, but being interrupted while you're thinking is actually the most frustrating thing ever. From my own experience the biggest problem is that sometimes when you're thinking you don't even realize it, and it's not till you're interrupted that you do. And once you're self-aware, the flow of thoughts required with the hardest kinds of thinking comes to a stop. And if this guy is thinking about the kind of insanely hard stuff he thought about, man, I can't imagine how much that would've sucked.

BlackDeath3 13y ago
"But I just had a quick question! It will only take two seconds of your time!" To me, the real problem is that a lot of people don't understand that the duration of the interrupting event itself is often the lesser of the distractions. The fifteen minutes I have to spend getting my head back on-track afterward is the real pain-in-the-ass, and what are the chances that those fifteen minutes go uninterrupted?
- lutusp 13y ago
  Promises, promises. In my experience, women produce very few actual two-second interruptions. EDIT: Hey downvoters -- I did say "in my experience". I'm not making a statement about all women.
  - LnxPrgr3 13y ago
    True for men too. If someone has a "quick question" where I work, I might as well block off the next hour.
    - lutusp 13y ago
      > True for men too. Yes, absolutely, and notwithstanding the popular myth that men are more taciturn than women.
- danielweber 13y ago

Aqueous 13y ago

"he attacked her" - is this true? Richard Feynman is a personal hero of mine, but if he became violent towards his wife I might view him in a different light. Also, what's "bric-a-brac?"

quarterto 13y ago
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bric-a-brac http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bric-a-brac
- Aqueous 13y ago
  Thanks.
DerKommissar 13y ago
I have read that before no fault divorces it was common to make up something that someone did in order to be granted a divorce. It's sad, but I think what he is described as doing was seen as more reasonable back then.
- rayiner 13y ago
  Hitting your wife was also more acceptable back then.
Delmania 13y ago
On the flipside: http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-to-departed-wife.html http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-t... He was human, with all our failings and emotions.
lutusp 13y ago
> "he attacked her" - is this true? We would first need to define "attacked". There are verbal attacks, chain-saw attacks, and much territory between them. Also, during the divorce proceeding, his soon-to-be-ex-wife primarily complained about his tendency to be lost in thought, not his tendency to attack her if she interrupted him. My point is that if he actually physically attacked her, she would not have needed to mention his annoying preference for calculus.

fsck--off 13y ago

Keep in mind that there was no such thing as a no-fault divorce in the U.S until 1969. So the listed reasons for divorce — which in this case included violence — are not reliable because they were often invented out of necessity.

jgalt212 13y ago
Interesting. I can only imagine how this discusson would take place on Jezebel. Know your audience, I guess. I, like many here, would not be happy to read negative things about Feynman who is a hero to many in this community.
- phillmv 13y ago
  *shrug. Reading between the lines from the various writings he put out, I think the odds were good that he was an asshole to a lot of people. He had a lot of privilege from being, on average, the smartest dick in a given room, and being the right age and in the right place to enjoy the Greatest Period of Prosperity We've Ever Known. He was probably a blast at parties and exhilarating to work alongside and shoot the shit with, but also probably really flakey and insufferable if you needed something from him. For me, the most telling moment in the Feynman comic (http://www.amazon.com/Feynman-Jim-Ottaviani/dp/1596438274 http://www.amazon.com/Feynman-Jim-Ottaviani/dp/1596438274) was how little attention was paid to his kids. You gotta take the good with the bad. Steve Jobs was a manipulative douchebag, but also conniving, ruthless and full of taste.

falconfunction 13y ago

Well, he was crazy smart, loved life, strip clubs, and interesting things. It is pretty fucked up that he thought she was okay with that behavior towards her. http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-to-departed-wife.html http://www.openculture.com/2013/08/richard-feynmans-letter-t...

Delmania 13y ago

I think I've read that people who are very intelligent are also very passionate, which I guess is why Fenyman wrote a touching love letter to his (dead) first wife and (allegedly) beat his second wife. Also keep in mind the notion of "emotional intelligence" is relatively new, so given the time period and the person, this really isn't a surprise.

judk 13y ago
Neither of those activities are the exclusive domain of the "very intelligent".

lutusp 13y ago

This is a classic Internet daisy chain of the worst sort. The article linked above (http://explore.noodle.org/post/73954140444/the-appointees-wife-was-granted-a-divorce-from http://explore.noodle.org/post/73954140444/the-appointees-wi...) acquired its content from MetaFilter (http://www.metafilter.com/116688/The-FBI-has-a-Do-Not-Contact-List http://www.metafilter.com/116688/The-FBI-has-a-Do-Not-Contac...), which in turn acquired its content from MuckRock (https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2012/jun/06/feynman-files-professors-invitation-past-iron-curt/ https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2012/jun/06/feynman-f...), which acquired its content from an FOI request from the FBI (https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi-files-on-richard-feynman-1165/ https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi...) which produced an historical 361-page archive (https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi-files-on-richard-feynman-1165/#366921-responsive-documents https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi...) Surprising no one, the article linked above manages to locate the most tabloid-oriented part of the 361-page FBI archive, and omit the more interesting and politically educational parts. Here's a link to a browsable version the source documents: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi-files-on-richard-feynman-1165/#366921-responsive-documents https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/fbi... Here's a direct link to the PDF archive: https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Master_of_Deception.pdf https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_documents/Feynman_Mas...

JoeAltmaier 13y ago

Spouses can be so sensitive.