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I find it ironic that when the cop starts talking he mentions that in the US people should be thankful because they are given a Miranda warning, because, accord

by antr 13y ago

I find it ironic that when the cop starts talking he mentions that in the US people should be thankful because they are given a Miranda warning, because, according to him, in other parts of the world like in "Spain and Italy" cops beat up citizens. Last time I check such abuse can't be seen anywhere in Europe. More cop BS.

Kurtz79 13y ago
To be fair, as an Italian living in Spain, there have been cases in recent years where "cops beat up citizens" in both countries, mostly occurring during large rallies. Still, these occurrences are isolated cases, receive large media attention and are definitely not considered "the norm".
- antr 13y ago
  Don't take my comment out of context: the video refers to the context of an interrogation, questioning, stop by the police. Not a riot. The policeman follows the presentation by the lawyer regarding the 5th amendment, where it applies, and how it used, where do Miranda warning apply, etc., in line with HN link conversation. This is not a topic of riots - which is quite a different story to the OP.
brazzy 13y ago
Oh, it happens. In Germany as well: http://www.dw.de/preventing-police-brutality-in-germany/a-16641839 http://www.dw.de/preventing-police-brutality-in-germany/a-16... But my impression is that it's rather less common than in the USA and the courts, prosecution and conservative public don't side with the police as much.
elohesra 13y ago
Yeah, it definitely can. I've lived in Europe all my life, and traveled over Europe since I was kid, and I've seen mainland European police openly abusing people on the street. I've seen cops randomly firing their firearms in the air as 'crowd control' (the crowd in question was three old women trying to get on a boat, this was in Greece), policing openly punching someone in the face for some remark they didn't like (again, Greece), police demanding a person's passport papers at a port and refusing to return them until UK police got involved (France), and so on. The only countries where I've never seen any open abuse by police so far have been Britain and Germany, and I haven't spent a lot of time in Germany. EDIT: Actually, there has recently been a famous case in Britain where a police officer shoved a citizen to the floor and the citizen died of internal injuries [0]. I didn't actually witness the abuse, but it proves that even the UK isn't immune. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
jjoonathan 13y ago
> Last time I check such abuse can't be seen anywhere in Europe. That sounds like wishful thinking. Where exactly did you check?
- antr 13y ago
  The video refers to the context of an interrogation, questioning, stop by the police. There seems to be a constant theme in the US regarding police abuse (and I'm not talking about a scenario of a riot, etc.) during these moments – that is what I refer to when I say "Last time I check such abuse can't be seen anywhere in Europe." Are there going to be cases of such police brutality? Sure. Is it as frequent as the cases in the US, absolutely not. Do take a look at the NPMSRP reports and compare that to any EU country.

by antr 13y ago

Kurtz79 13y ago

To be fair, as an Italian living in Spain, there have been cases in recent years where "cops beat up citizens" in both countries, mostly occurring during large rallies. Still, these occurrences are isolated cases, receive large media attention and are definitely not considered "the norm".

antr 13y ago
Don't take my comment out of context: the video refers to the context of an interrogation, questioning, stop by the police. Not a riot. The policeman follows the presentation by the lawyer regarding the 5th amendment, where it applies, and how it used, where do Miranda warning apply, etc., in line with HN link conversation. This is not a topic of riots - which is quite a different story to the OP.

brazzy 13y ago

Oh, it happens. In Germany as well: http://www.dw.de/preventing-police-brutality-in-germany/a-16641839 http://www.dw.de/preventing-police-brutality-in-germany/a-16... But my impression is that it's rather less common than in the USA and the courts, prosecution and conservative public don't side with the police as much.

elohesra 13y ago

Yeah, it definitely can. I've lived in Europe all my life, and traveled over Europe since I was kid, and I've seen mainland European police openly abusing people on the street. I've seen cops randomly firing their firearms in the air as 'crowd control' (the crowd in question was three old women trying to get on a boat, this was in Greece), policing openly punching someone in the face for some remark they didn't like (again, Greece), police demanding a person's passport papers at a port and refusing to return them until UK police got involved (France), and so on. The only countries where I've never seen any open abuse by police so far have been Britain and Germany, and I haven't spent a lot of time in Germany. EDIT: Actually, there has recently been a famous case in Britain where a police officer shoved a citizen to the floor and the citizen died of internal injuries [0]. I didn't actually witness the abuse, but it proves that even the UK isn't immune. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson

jjoonathan 13y ago

> Last time I check such abuse can't be seen anywhere in Europe. That sounds like wishful thinking. Where exactly did you check?

antr 13y ago
The video refers to the context of an interrogation, questioning, stop by the police. There seems to be a constant theme in the US regarding police abuse (and I'm not talking about a scenario of a riot, etc.) during these moments – that is what I refer to when I say "Last time I check such abuse can't be seen anywhere in Europe." Are there going to be cases of such police brutality? Sure. Is it as frequent as the cases in the US, absolutely not. Do take a look at the NPMSRP reports and compare that to any EU country.