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Well, there's healthy and unhealthy entrepreneurship. And how does a "class war" distinguish them?

busterarm 13y ago
Sorry, I left my tea leaves and tarot cards at home. But French nobility continued through the Revolution into the 19th century and there about ~230 remaining noble families (present day) of which at least 130 were titled and had their titles officially restored in 1852. So in the most notable instance of class war at least, not everyone got the axe. The point you're asking me to respond to is a separate discussion entirely.
- twoodfin 13y ago
  So pg should be content to take his chances come the glorious revolution? I still don't get why you'd have a "boner" for indiscriminate killing of the successful, even if it's "merely" a random subset thereof. You say in another comment that you're just being "cheeky", but frankly I find your and michaelochurch's comments deeply disturbing. If it's just dorm room BS, perhaps you could find a more appropriate forum.
  - busterarm 13y ago
    "indiscriminate killing" means both the successful and the unsuccessful. You're confusing a lot of things here. I mention this in another comment but in no way is anything that I'm saying targeted specifically at people involved in tech startups, in fact, despite how I think many would think of themselves they've all got the same lot as the rest of us. tl;dr: tech entrepreneurs are not the 1%.
    - twoodfin 13y ago
      tl;dr: tech entrepreneurs are not the 1%. Again, how do you expect the "class war" for which you have a "boner" to distinguish between entrepreneurs and "rent seekers"?
      - busterarm 13y ago
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking It's pretty obvious what they do and how they do it. If you think entrepreneurs have a lot of overlap here, I'd hate to think of what you consider being successful in business, because you'd have to either not be looking or be a sociopath. I already mentioned patent trolls as an obvious example of rent-seeking behavior here. You're fixated on the mechanics of how a class war happens, which isn't even worth discussing because that's predicting the unknowable. Maybe you seem to think it only happens in the way you picture it in your head? When you have a society that denies quality health care to the majority of its citizens, has a militaristic police force and imprisons large and biased proportions of its population, YOU ALREADY HAVE CLASS WAR. It's happening right now and you don't even realize it.
        ahomescu1 13y ago
        > When you have a society that denies quality health care to the majority of its citizens How does it "deny quality health care"? Not giving it away for free isn't "denying"; if you have money or good insurance, you get quality health care. The harsh reality is that health care costs money (in other words, resources), so it can't be free and plentiful.

Sorry, I left my tea leaves and tarot cards at home. But French nobility continued through the Revolution into the 19th century and there about ~230 remaining noble families (present day) of which at least 130 were titled and had their titles officially restored in 1852. So in the most notable instance of class war at least, not everyone got the axe. The point you're asking me to respond to is a separate discussion entirely.

twoodfin 13y ago
So pg should be content to take his chances come the glorious revolution? I still don't get why you'd have a "boner" for indiscriminate killing of the successful, even if it's "merely" a random subset thereof. You say in another comment that you're just being "cheeky", but frankly I find your and michaelochurch's comments deeply disturbing. If it's just dorm room BS, perhaps you could find a more appropriate forum.
- busterarm 13y ago
  "indiscriminate killing" means both the successful and the unsuccessful. You're confusing a lot of things here. I mention this in another comment but in no way is anything that I'm saying targeted specifically at people involved in tech startups, in fact, despite how I think many would think of themselves they've all got the same lot as the rest of us. tl;dr: tech entrepreneurs are not the 1%.
  - twoodfin 13y ago
    tl;dr: tech entrepreneurs are not the 1%. Again, how do you expect the "class war" for which you have a "boner" to distinguish between entrepreneurs and "rent seekers"?
    - busterarm 13y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking It's pretty obvious what they do and how they do it. If you think entrepreneurs have a lot of overlap here, I'd hate to think of what you consider being successful in business, because you'd have to either not be looking or be a sociopath. I already mentioned patent trolls as an obvious example of rent-seeking behavior here. You're fixated on the mechanics of how a class war happens, which isn't even worth discussing because that's predicting the unknowable. Maybe you seem to think it only happens in the way you picture it in your head? When you have a society that denies quality health care to the majority of its citizens, has a militaristic police force and imprisons large and biased proportions of its population, YOU ALREADY HAVE CLASS WAR. It's happening right now and you don't even realize it.
      - ahomescu1 13y ago
        > When you have a society that denies quality health care to the majority of its citizens How does it "deny quality health care"? Not giving it away for free isn't "denying"; if you have money or good insurance, you get quality health care. The harsh reality is that health care costs money (in other words, resources), so it can't be free and plentiful.