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> P.S. Just saw that immediately race was brought up. As a tip to anyone who wants to make a difference, people in power will divide you into as many groups as

> P.S. Just saw that immediately race was brought up. As a tip to anyone who wants to make a difference, people in power will divide you into as many groups as you let them in order to subjugate you. You can simultaneously recognize that the system is biased against certain races while also avoiding infighting based upon race. It's kind of ironic that you tell people to pay more attention to reality and then essentially tell people to pretend racism doesn't exist in one of the most racist segments of US society.

amagumori 13y ago
> You can simultaneously recognize that the system is biased against certain races while also avoiding infighting based upon race. maybe you and i can, but in practice, that doesn't really happen. one of the biggest problems with our social justice movement is the complete lack of unity. many times when i see privilege brought up, it's used to invalidate opinions and justify hate towards those with more privilege ("i'm oppressed so my hate is irrelevant compared to the oppression inflicted on me"), not as a simple reminder of people's relative advantages or disadvantages. the crux of the problem is that the issues of a minority community have a much greater chance of being solved with support outside of that specific community. but groups that advocate for social justice for minority groups too often create a dialogue of hate and "oppressor / oppressed", and outright exclude those who don't belong to the oppressed community for which they are advocating. in this way these communities become insular echo chambers, since rather than taking outside voices with a grain of salt, outside voices are simply not tolerated. the dialogue becomes more and more partisan / hateful and the rift between relatively advantaged and relatively disadvantaged groups grows wider.
- chilldream 13y ago
  I don't identify with the "social justice" movement for similar reasons, but that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, and that certainly doesn't mean it's productive to try to remove discussion about racism from an arena so profoundly racist. Look up "The Southern Strategy" and its relation to drug criminalization. Look up "Stop and Frisk". Look up the reasons behind criminalizing crack at a higher level than cocaine. Incarceration rates, prosecution rates, execution rates, literally everything even vaguely related to this topic. It's pervasive. If you choose to ignore that, minorities who think you don't have their interests at heart probably have a point.
  - amagumori 13y ago
    > that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, and that certainly doesn't mean it's productive to try to remove discussion about racism from an arena so profoundly racist. wat? i didn't say these things at all. we're on the same page. i agree with you.

amagumori 13y ago

> You can simultaneously recognize that the system is biased against certain races while also avoiding infighting based upon race. maybe you and i can, but in practice, that doesn't really happen. one of the biggest problems with our social justice movement is the complete lack of unity. many times when i see privilege brought up, it's used to invalidate opinions and justify hate towards those with more privilege ("i'm oppressed so my hate is irrelevant compared to the oppression inflicted on me"), not as a simple reminder of people's relative advantages or disadvantages. the crux of the problem is that the issues of a minority community have a much greater chance of being solved with support outside of that specific community. but groups that advocate for social justice for minority groups too often create a dialogue of hate and "oppressor / oppressed", and outright exclude those who don't belong to the oppressed community for which they are advocating. in this way these communities become insular echo chambers, since rather than taking outside voices with a grain of salt, outside voices are simply not tolerated. the dialogue becomes more and more partisan / hateful and the rift between relatively advantaged and relatively disadvantaged groups grows wider.

chilldream 13y ago
I don't identify with the "social justice" movement for similar reasons, but that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, and that certainly doesn't mean it's productive to try to remove discussion about racism from an arena so profoundly racist. Look up "The Southern Strategy" and its relation to drug criminalization. Look up "Stop and Frisk". Look up the reasons behind criminalizing crack at a higher level than cocaine. Incarceration rates, prosecution rates, execution rates, literally everything even vaguely related to this topic. It's pervasive. If you choose to ignore that, minorities who think you don't have their interests at heart probably have a point.
- amagumori 13y ago
  > that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, and that certainly doesn't mean it's productive to try to remove discussion about racism from an arena so profoundly racist. wat? i didn't say these things at all. we're on the same page. i agree with you.