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The post has absolutely nothing to do with cyclists being above the law. Neither do your personal anecdotes about cyclists. Try not make generalisations about

The post has absolutely nothing to do with cyclists being above the law. Neither do your personal anecdotes about cyclists. Try not make generalisations about groups of people based on your narrow experience.

debt 13y ago
Cyclist breaks the law and then feels entitled to talk down the arresting officers? I can't say it's the first time I've heard this story.
- andrewfelix 13y ago
  Replace the word 'cyclist' with 'driver', 'woman', 'jew' etc. See where I'm going with this? Your anecdotes are not evidence of a larger problem. All that you're doing is exposing your personal bias. Personally I notice a lot of bad drivers, but I'm not going to then leap to the ridiculous conclusion that drivers think they're above the law. Because there is larger percentage that I don't notice doing the right thing, just like with [insert chosen group here].
  - debt 13y ago
    We're talking about people with a preference for bicycles not their religion, race or gender. And, yeah, you could replace it with driver, that one at least is valid. I don't know if you've heard of this rift between cyclists and motorists but it gets pretty heated and intense in urban areas. Typically the people pushing for legislative changes and updates to infrastructure are cyclists. Typically, those cyclists are the militant ones and NOT your "A-to-B style cyclists, just going to and from work with a bike, yeah a bike lane would be nice but whatever"-style cyclists. Many of the militant cyclists hold an attitude similar to parent, which is "yeah I broke the law but fuck the police" which makes it very difficult to enact any change. I'm talking specifically about the militant cyclists which, like I said, are also the ones attempting to push the cause, enact positive changes, for cyclists. So. We can't have MILITANT cyclists(again the ones doing the walking when it comes to updating infrastructure etc.) pervade an attitude that they're above the law because surprise no one will take them seriously and thus no positive changes for cyclists.
    - andrewfelix 13y ago
      >We're talking about people with a preference for bicycles not their religion, race or gender You're missing the point. I'm talking about your personal experiences not speaking to a larger issue. You've clearly had negative interactions with cyclists that have helped you arrive at your view, that isn't in dispute here. What I'm trying to say is don't apply your narrow vision on what is a diverse group of people, the majority of whom obey the law and make a positive contribution to society. Again; Your personal observations do not equate to evidence of a widespread problem, just as my negative interactions with red haired people does equate to evidence of a MILITANT Ginger brigade out to do harm.
    - angersock 13y ago
      In your desire to complain about cyclists (rightly or wrongly) you are blind to the abuse of a citizen that happened here.
      - subpixel 13y ago
        You're overlooking the fact that the cyclist in question ran a light and then tried to school a cop. Being arrested under the circumstance is not abuse - on the contrary it's just about standard procedure. Do you really expect you can give a cop lip - while being cited for a traffic violation - and skip away? When you have an altercation with a cop, give at least the respect you expect to receive.
        angersock 13y ago
        Do you really expect you can give a cop lip - while being cited for a traffic violation - and skip away? Yes, because I live in a country where--supposedly, anyways--I am given the right of free expression. Telling a cop anything short of a threat, especially as it concerns the laws and especially especially when it is the cop being wrong about the laws, should be a non-issue. You're a damned fool if you think that this being "just about standard procedure" is anything other a really bad sign.
        13y ago
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- benched 13y ago
  You are conflating several things and speaking rhetorically, not logically. Here's what you want: "Vehicle operator runs a red light and is arrested"

debt 13y ago

Cyclist breaks the law and then feels entitled to talk down the arresting officers? I can't say it's the first time I've heard this story.

andrewfelix 13y ago
Replace the word 'cyclist' with 'driver', 'woman', 'jew' etc. See where I'm going with this? Your anecdotes are not evidence of a larger problem. All that you're doing is exposing your personal bias. Personally I notice a lot of bad drivers, but I'm not going to then leap to the ridiculous conclusion that drivers think they're above the law. Because there is larger percentage that I don't notice doing the right thing, just like with [insert chosen group here].
- debt 13y ago
  We're talking about people with a preference for bicycles not their religion, race or gender. And, yeah, you could replace it with driver, that one at least is valid. I don't know if you've heard of this rift between cyclists and motorists but it gets pretty heated and intense in urban areas. Typically the people pushing for legislative changes and updates to infrastructure are cyclists. Typically, those cyclists are the militant ones and NOT your "A-to-B style cyclists, just going to and from work with a bike, yeah a bike lane would be nice but whatever"-style cyclists. Many of the militant cyclists hold an attitude similar to parent, which is "yeah I broke the law but fuck the police" which makes it very difficult to enact any change. I'm talking specifically about the militant cyclists which, like I said, are also the ones attempting to push the cause, enact positive changes, for cyclists. So. We can't have MILITANT cyclists(again the ones doing the walking when it comes to updating infrastructure etc.) pervade an attitude that they're above the law because surprise no one will take them seriously and thus no positive changes for cyclists.
  - andrewfelix 13y ago
    >We're talking about people with a preference for bicycles not their religion, race or gender You're missing the point. I'm talking about your personal experiences not speaking to a larger issue. You've clearly had negative interactions with cyclists that have helped you arrive at your view, that isn't in dispute here. What I'm trying to say is don't apply your narrow vision on what is a diverse group of people, the majority of whom obey the law and make a positive contribution to society. Again; Your personal observations do not equate to evidence of a widespread problem, just as my negative interactions with red haired people does equate to evidence of a MILITANT Ginger brigade out to do harm.
  - angersock 13y ago
    In your desire to complain about cyclists (rightly or wrongly) you are blind to the abuse of a citizen that happened here.
    - subpixel 13y ago
      You're overlooking the fact that the cyclist in question ran a light and then tried to school a cop. Being arrested under the circumstance is not abuse - on the contrary it's just about standard procedure. Do you really expect you can give a cop lip - while being cited for a traffic violation - and skip away? When you have an altercation with a cop, give at least the respect you expect to receive.
      - angersock 13y ago
        Do you really expect you can give a cop lip - while being cited for a traffic violation - and skip away? Yes, because I live in a country where--supposedly, anyways--I am given the right of free expression. Telling a cop anything short of a threat, especially as it concerns the laws and especially especially when it is the cop being wrong about the laws, should be a non-issue. You're a damned fool if you think that this being "just about standard procedure" is anything other a really bad sign.
        13y ago
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benched 13y ago
You are conflating several things and speaking rhetorically, not logically. Here's what you want: "Vehicle operator runs a red light and is arrested"