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Who says that they don't? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops? As

Who says that they don't? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops? As typical of somebody posting a throwaway comment to an online forum, I'm not sure that you've taken everything into account when you make such a broad statement.

forrestthewoods 13y ago
I've quite thoroughly considered it. The police are a civil service given power and authority by the public. That power is turned around to abuse the public. Now, to whom does a private condemnation best serve? Hint: It's not the abused or oppressed.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  Condemnation that you aren't aware of != private condemnation. It seems pretty damn arrogant to imply that something doesn't exist because you aren't aware of it.
lostcolony 13y ago
Every good cop who is managing to effectively stop a bad cop, means yet another bad cop. That is, we're hearing about bad cops who aren't being stopped by good ones. A lot. "Well, the good ones are out there!"; they're either ineffective, or effective, in which case the number of bad cops is even higher than we hear about. Neither of those is particularly placating.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  You aren't aware of it, so it isn't so? Really? Next, you'll tell me that Fox News really is "fair and balanced". Good police exist, and will continue to exist, despite civilian hostility and shifting definitions of what it means to be a "good cop". I'll never claim that no police are bad, or that there aren't many bad police, but I know that I'll never envy the good ones as long as the people filling this comment page comprise the majority of our population.
  - lostcolony 13y ago
    Did you even read my post? I'm saying, we hear about X bad cops. There may indeed by Y good cops. I am not making any claim about the existence or non-existence of Y good cops (in fact, I've interacted with good cops, so if I was to make any claim at all, it's simply that they exist, and the effects they have on bad cops are unknown). These Y good cops are either doing nothing to stop bad cops (and thus are ineffective at stopping bad cops; this may be simply because they are in different departments, and/or unaware of it if it's happening within the same one, and/or they may be powerless to stop it, etc etc), or they are effective at stopping Z bad cops (for a total number of X + Z bad cops, since X are still not being stopped). Either of these situations is terrible, because either the good cops are not stopping bad cops from being bad, or they are, but there are enough bad cops that the good cops are unable to stop them all (and thus the numbers of bad cops are even higher than we hear about). I'm not sure how else I can put that for you.
    - BlackDeath3 13y ago
      Well, please do try to put it another way, because it sounds to me like you aren't satisfied with the good cops simply because bad cops still exist. I'm not really sure what your point is. I agree that our current situation is sub-optimal. I don't remember ever arguing otherwise.

forrestthewoods 13y ago

I've quite thoroughly considered it. The police are a civil service given power and authority by the public. That power is turned around to abuse the public. Now, to whom does a private condemnation best serve? Hint: It's not the abused or oppressed.

BlackDeath3 13y ago
Condemnation that you aren't aware of != private condemnation. It seems pretty damn arrogant to imply that something doesn't exist because you aren't aware of it.

lostcolony 13y ago

Every good cop who is managing to effectively stop a bad cop, means yet another bad cop. That is, we're hearing about bad cops who aren't being stopped by good ones. A lot. "Well, the good ones are out there!"; they're either ineffective, or effective, in which case the number of bad cops is even higher than we hear about. Neither of those is particularly placating.

BlackDeath3 13y ago
You aren't aware of it, so it isn't so? Really? Next, you'll tell me that Fox News really is "fair and balanced". Good police exist, and will continue to exist, despite civilian hostility and shifting definitions of what it means to be a "good cop". I'll never claim that no police are bad, or that there aren't many bad police, but I know that I'll never envy the good ones as long as the people filling this comment page comprise the majority of our population.
- lostcolony 13y ago
  Did you even read my post? I'm saying, we hear about X bad cops. There may indeed by Y good cops. I am not making any claim about the existence or non-existence of Y good cops (in fact, I've interacted with good cops, so if I was to make any claim at all, it's simply that they exist, and the effects they have on bad cops are unknown). These Y good cops are either doing nothing to stop bad cops (and thus are ineffective at stopping bad cops; this may be simply because they are in different departments, and/or unaware of it if it's happening within the same one, and/or they may be powerless to stop it, etc etc), or they are effective at stopping Z bad cops (for a total number of X + Z bad cops, since X are still not being stopped). Either of these situations is terrible, because either the good cops are not stopping bad cops from being bad, or they are, but there are enough bad cops that the good cops are unable to stop them all (and thus the numbers of bad cops are even higher than we hear about). I'm not sure how else I can put that for you.
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    Well, please do try to put it another way, because it sounds to me like you aren't satisfied with the good cops simply because bad cops still exist. I'm not really sure what your point is. I agree that our current situation is sub-optimal. I don't remember ever arguing otherwise.