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they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop. Hacker News is rapidly becoming Reddit. Reddit has its place, but this is not a good thin

they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop. Hacker News is rapidly becoming Reddit. Reddit has its place, but this is not a good thing.

BlackDeath3 13y ago
I've noticed the same. Inflammatory comments being upvoted, unpopular discussion being downvoted. When somebody finds the next Hacker News, please let me know. (I expect this comment to be downvoted, and it probably should be. Just expressing my frustration.)
- sehr 13y ago
  https://lobste.rs/ https://lobste.rs/ is a viable alternative if you are looking for decent discussions on technology. Smaller subreddits seem to have much better discussion as well.
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    I didn't really expect a good, helpful response. Thank you for the link!
- ryguytilidie 13y ago
  "This site sucks because they think my opinion is bad." Cool, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
  - BlackDeath3 13y ago
    Voting should be independent of opinion, should it not? Voting should reflect the merit of a post regardless of its popularity, right? Comments with little more substance than "cops should die" shouldn't be at the top of a comment page, right? You're 0 for 2 with me so far. Don't join the debate team.
    - ryguytilidie 13y ago
      This is the top comment right now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie3mmcm0acuzxgv/Screenshot%202014-02-13%2015.31.50.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie3mmcm0acuzxgv/Screenshot%202014-... Do you read this 1000+ word well written point as "having no more substance than 'cops should die'"? Or did you simply decide that you should just ignore that post since it didn't fit your utterly insane narrative? Never mind the fact that even the exact post youre referencing doesn't even say the thing you keep claiming it says... I'm sure I'll continue being 0 for as long as I'm arguing a different point than yours, because you've shown that its not evidence, or eloquence that matters, rather how well aligned the other person's argument is aligned with your own. I doubt there is a forum where you will fit in well. Maybe you can just scream irrational nonsense at people on 4chan or something?
      - BlackDeath3 13y ago
        I'm not necessarily talking about the current top comment in this particular thread. Christ, man. Why do so many people attempt a proof-by-example and then act surprised when it fails to convince?
        ryguytilidie 13y ago
        Um, so your two arguments so far have been: "The person I'm responding to LITERALLY said he wanted all police to die" "Well, he didn't literally say that, in fact, he didn't say anything close to that". "fuck the police shouldn't be the top comment" evidence is presented to the contrary "Dude, its not like I meant THIS top comment". There's no chance you're anything but a troll or stupid, so either way, I'm wasting my time. Cheers.
        hmsimha 13y ago
        BlackDeath3's argument was that a voting system is the means through which the best comments, as deemed by the majority of users, receive the most exposure. You misunderstood them and referred them to the current top comment, pointing out that it was quite substantial. Without realizing it though, you were demonstrating their point.
baddox 13y ago
What attribute of Reddit are you talking about? Is it that people here accuse other people of acting like members from some other website, rather than actually confronting their arguments?
- corresation 13y ago
  Despite your insincerity, for those who actually care the negative trait I was talking about is sophistry: The collapsing of complex situations with many players and perspectives into single-dimensional, black and white, clear-cut projections that everyone can circle around and beat with their strawman beating sticks, all while acting enlightened. This whole thread is absolutely crowded with such positions. I love Reddit, but outside of certain subs it is not a productive place to discuss complex situations as the crowd naturally wants the story simplified. So you end up with a day 1 version where one actor is clearly the aggrieved party, the other pure villain, and everyone runs out to send nasty emails and to fill voiceboxes with nasty messages. On day 2 a new piece of information comes out that demonstrates that the story was't as stated, and some new situations completely upset who the good guy and the bad guy is. The pitchfork mob goes in the opposite direction. It is useless and destructive, and became such a problem that a number of anti pitchfork rules had to be imposed. In this case the post I replied to outrageously declared that the only good cop is a dead cop, which is incredibly offensive if you actually have friends who are in law enforcement. And even if you don't, it should be offensive to virtually anyone in a lawful society who relies upon those people more than many of you care to admit. Add that there is some hilarious irony in a board primarily dominated by the unfit and privileged supporting such notions. I can understand the sentiment in some poverty city inner-city neighbourhood (heck, I grew up in poverty and was surrounded by the "pig" attitude), even if it is often self-defeating, but it is to the point of parody on HN. "I heard a story about some cop two thousand miles away who did {x}. See, they're all terrible!"
  - Zigurd 13y ago
    It's not "sophistry." You are way overthinking it. It's hostility. Maybe it's been earned.
  - 13y ago

they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop. Hacker News is rapidly becoming Reddit. Reddit has its place, but this is not a good thing.

BlackDeath3 13y ago

I've noticed the same. Inflammatory comments being upvoted, unpopular discussion being downvoted. When somebody finds the next Hacker News, please let me know. (I expect this comment to be downvoted, and it probably should be. Just expressing my frustration.)

sehr 13y ago
https://lobste.rs/ https://lobste.rs/ is a viable alternative if you are looking for decent discussions on technology. Smaller subreddits seem to have much better discussion as well.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  I didn't really expect a good, helpful response. Thank you for the link!
ryguytilidie 13y ago
"This site sucks because they think my opinion is bad." Cool, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
- BlackDeath3 13y ago
  Voting should be independent of opinion, should it not? Voting should reflect the merit of a post regardless of its popularity, right? Comments with little more substance than "cops should die" shouldn't be at the top of a comment page, right? You're 0 for 2 with me so far. Don't join the debate team.
  - ryguytilidie 13y ago
    This is the top comment right now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie3mmcm0acuzxgv/Screenshot%202014-02-13%2015.31.50.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie3mmcm0acuzxgv/Screenshot%202014-... Do you read this 1000+ word well written point as "having no more substance than 'cops should die'"? Or did you simply decide that you should just ignore that post since it didn't fit your utterly insane narrative? Never mind the fact that even the exact post youre referencing doesn't even say the thing you keep claiming it says... I'm sure I'll continue being 0 for as long as I'm arguing a different point than yours, because you've shown that its not evidence, or eloquence that matters, rather how well aligned the other person's argument is aligned with your own. I doubt there is a forum where you will fit in well. Maybe you can just scream irrational nonsense at people on 4chan or something?
    - BlackDeath3 13y ago
      I'm not necessarily talking about the current top comment in this particular thread. Christ, man. Why do so many people attempt a proof-by-example and then act surprised when it fails to convince?
      - ryguytilidie 13y ago
        Um, so your two arguments so far have been: "The person I'm responding to LITERALLY said he wanted all police to die" "Well, he didn't literally say that, in fact, he didn't say anything close to that". "fuck the police shouldn't be the top comment" evidence is presented to the contrary "Dude, its not like I meant THIS top comment". There's no chance you're anything but a troll or stupid, so either way, I'm wasting my time. Cheers.
        hmsimha 13y ago
        BlackDeath3's argument was that a voting system is the means through which the best comments, as deemed by the majority of users, receive the most exposure. You misunderstood them and referred them to the current top comment, pointing out that it was quite substantial. Without realizing it though, you were demonstrating their point.

baddox 13y ago

What attribute of Reddit are you talking about? Is it that people here accuse other people of acting like members from some other website, rather than actually confronting their arguments?

corresation 13y ago
Despite your insincerity, for those who actually care the negative trait I was talking about is sophistry: The collapsing of complex situations with many players and perspectives into single-dimensional, black and white, clear-cut projections that everyone can circle around and beat with their strawman beating sticks, all while acting enlightened. This whole thread is absolutely crowded with such positions. I love Reddit, but outside of certain subs it is not a productive place to discuss complex situations as the crowd naturally wants the story simplified. So you end up with a day 1 version where one actor is clearly the aggrieved party, the other pure villain, and everyone runs out to send nasty emails and to fill voiceboxes with nasty messages. On day 2 a new piece of information comes out that demonstrates that the story was't as stated, and some new situations completely upset who the good guy and the bad guy is. The pitchfork mob goes in the opposite direction. It is useless and destructive, and became such a problem that a number of anti pitchfork rules had to be imposed. In this case the post I replied to outrageously declared that the only good cop is a dead cop, which is incredibly offensive if you actually have friends who are in law enforcement. And even if you don't, it should be offensive to virtually anyone in a lawful society who relies upon those people more than many of you care to admit. Add that there is some hilarious irony in a board primarily dominated by the unfit and privileged supporting such notions. I can understand the sentiment in some poverty city inner-city neighbourhood (heck, I grew up in poverty and was surrounded by the "pig" attitude), even if it is often self-defeating, but it is to the point of parody on HN. "I heard a story about some cop two thousand miles away who did {x}. See, they're all terrible!"
- Zigurd 13y ago
  It's not "sophistry." You are way overthinking it. It's hostility. Maybe it's been earned.
- 13y ago