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> OP definitely needs to sue the city, as well as the aggressors personally. I upvoted this comment for that; it seems like a prudent step to take. > the only

> OP definitely needs to sue the city, as well as the aggressors personally. I upvoted this comment for that; it seems like a prudent step to take. > the only good cop is a dead cop And then I got here and wish I could undo. I don't understand why you would say such a thing. That's just not right.

gamache 13y ago
That's the attitude police departments prop up and justify every time they close ranks around officers who commit this kind of misconduct, instead of feeding the bad cops to the dogs and maintaining high standards of public service. Is the attitude morally right? Immaterial.
- NegativeK 13y ago
  An attitude of fuck the police on the side of the citizens makes the problem worse. Both sides have to meet. Also, like hell morality is immaterial.
  - gamache 13y ago
    No, there is no requirement for both sides to meet. Police serve the citizens. That's how public service goes. Their job is hard. They deal with assholes the likes of which most of us never see, they get shot at and kicked and punched and spat at and sworn at, and still their job is to protect and serve the public without fail. No shortcuts.
    - NegativeK 13y ago
      Every public servant is a person. Refusing to recognize that isn't pragmatic.
- baddox 13y ago
  Of course police departments do this. Oppressive groups use public disdain of the oppressive groups to justify intensifying their oppression. That doesn't mean the disdain isn't justified.
mindslight 13y ago
If police forces were organizations of justice, they would compensate victims of false imprisonment as a matter of course. Say you spend a night in jail for an errant arrest, you get an immediate $2k for time lost and distress incurred. This way, they wouldn't be able to shuffle the damages from their run-roughshod approach onto innocent people. But instead, they do everything they can to stick with and make-proper the mistake, and pettily punish those who don't just submit and take it. They know full well that time in their jail is (an extrajudicial) punishment in and of itself. This entire blue-shield assume-everyone's-guilty mentality makes them just another gang of thugs to be avoided. The fact they're given a fancy costume by the out of touch populations of whatever jurisdiction they're in ceases to be relevant. While still extremely callous, one would take far less issue with what I said if it were explicitly about "violent gangbangers". And given that the problem is institutional yet new recruits are still signing up for the trip, I have little empathy. edit: and I will admit that short of things like automated home-defense turrets becoming commonplace, empathy is the only thing that is going to fix anything and what I said actually hurts that. But given that the problem stems from police getting things mostly right (because most of who they interact with are criminals), I don't see reforms to make them impartial justice organizations ever gaining much support, as the sheer majority will always see them as doing a good job.
- 10feet 13y ago
  > If police forces were organizations of justice, they would compensate victims of false imprisonment as a matter of course. Say you spend a night in jail for an errant arrest, you get an immediate $2k for time lost and distress incurred. This way, they wouldn't be able to shuffle the damages from their run-roughshod approach onto innocent people. Oh yeah, this would not cause more problems than it solves.
  - mindslight 13y ago
    Correctness is more important that expediency. If you start off trying to be good, you can learn to be fast. If you start off trying to be fast, you will never learn to be good.
- 13y ago
EC1 13y ago
It's also not right that the police abuse their power to such degrees. They really should up the qualifications on becoming a cop. Right now it's "Eh I can't any other job, guess I'll just be a cop" and you're left with these incoherent slimeballs thinking they run things without any regard for actual law. I've been thrown in a cell for one week. I was drunk the night before, woke up in a cell. No window, no view, locked door. I was slipped cheese sandwiches for a week and juice boxes. Do you know what that does to a persons sanity? After day 3 I had literally just accepted it, that I'm staying here with 0 answers and that's just the way it is. Who is accountable for that? Nobody. Nobody gave me any answers.
- codyb 13y ago
  Don't shame me for playing the Simpsons untapped (Simpsons farmville clone, whatever) but I think the cops name is Lenny and he says things like "Don't make me late for Pilates" when you click on him. but the one that cracked me up the most was "This is where my weekend of police training really kicks in." Holding is truly screwed up. When I went I saw so many shitty things. Cops abuse their power every day. I should have known when the managers at my shitty University food stop started on a power trip when I worked there and fired me for eating 8 old wings that were left over when I only ordered 6 for my meal... Went against protocol (needed three strikes, only got one). When I was arrested I was really drunk, I was slammed, and forced to sign a piece of paper banning me from a local college campus indefinitely. They said if I signed they'd let me go. Then they arrested me right after I signed it. Slammed multiple times because I said I couldn't leave into the snow with only socks on since my shoes were in my friends room.
- vacri 13y ago
  They really should up the qualifications on becoming a cop. Cops will take the best candidates they can get. They don't get a lot of people wanting to be a cop. It's a shitty job that most people would not do by choice.
loceng 13y ago
I agree, that's wrong. I am hoping that maybe they're referencing the idea that if there are bad cops, the good cops are just as guilty as the bad ones - if they're not doing anything about it. To that degree I agree, though I wonder how much unions have to do with keeping bad cops in jobs.
BlackDeath3 13y ago
I agree. This isn't the first time I wish I could revoke an upvote, but I suppose that's my fault.
- deleted 13y ago
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- fapi1974 13y ago
  ditto
baddox 13y ago
I think it's unnecessarily sensationalized language, but I agree with the general point, which is that cops are bad.

gamache 13y ago

That's the attitude police departments prop up and justify every time they close ranks around officers who commit this kind of misconduct, instead of feeding the bad cops to the dogs and maintaining high standards of public service. Is the attitude morally right? Immaterial.

NegativeK 13y ago
An attitude of fuck the police on the side of the citizens makes the problem worse. Both sides have to meet. Also, like hell morality is immaterial.
- gamache 13y ago
  No, there is no requirement for both sides to meet. Police serve the citizens. That's how public service goes. Their job is hard. They deal with assholes the likes of which most of us never see, they get shot at and kicked and punched and spat at and sworn at, and still their job is to protect and serve the public without fail. No shortcuts.
  - NegativeK 13y ago
    Every public servant is a person. Refusing to recognize that isn't pragmatic.
baddox 13y ago
Of course police departments do this. Oppressive groups use public disdain of the oppressive groups to justify intensifying their oppression. That doesn't mean the disdain isn't justified.

mindslight 13y ago

If police forces were organizations of justice, they would compensate victims of false imprisonment as a matter of course. Say you spend a night in jail for an errant arrest, you get an immediate $2k for time lost and distress incurred. This way, they wouldn't be able to shuffle the damages from their run-roughshod approach onto innocent people. But instead, they do everything they can to stick with and make-proper the mistake, and pettily punish those who don't just submit and take it. They know full well that time in their jail is (an extrajudicial) punishment in and of itself. This entire blue-shield assume-everyone's-guilty mentality makes them just another gang of thugs to be avoided. The fact they're given a fancy costume by the out of touch populations of whatever jurisdiction they're in ceases to be relevant. While still extremely callous, one would take far less issue with what I said if it were explicitly about "violent gangbangers". And given that the problem is institutional yet new recruits are still signing up for the trip, I have little empathy. edit: and I will admit that short of things like automated home-defense turrets becoming commonplace, empathy is the only thing that is going to fix anything and what I said actually hurts that. But given that the problem stems from police getting things mostly right (because most of who they interact with are criminals), I don't see reforms to make them impartial justice organizations ever gaining much support, as the sheer majority will always see them as doing a good job.

10feet 13y ago
> If police forces were organizations of justice, they would compensate victims of false imprisonment as a matter of course. Say you spend a night in jail for an errant arrest, you get an immediate $2k for time lost and distress incurred. This way, they wouldn't be able to shuffle the damages from their run-roughshod approach onto innocent people. Oh yeah, this would not cause more problems than it solves.
- mindslight 13y ago
  Correctness is more important that expediency. If you start off trying to be good, you can learn to be fast. If you start off trying to be fast, you will never learn to be good.
13y ago

EC1 13y ago

It's also not right that the police abuse their power to such degrees. They really should up the qualifications on becoming a cop. Right now it's "Eh I can't any other job, guess I'll just be a cop" and you're left with these incoherent slimeballs thinking they run things without any regard for actual law. I've been thrown in a cell for one week. I was drunk the night before, woke up in a cell. No window, no view, locked door. I was slipped cheese sandwiches for a week and juice boxes. Do you know what that does to a persons sanity? After day 3 I had literally just accepted it, that I'm staying here with 0 answers and that's just the way it is. Who is accountable for that? Nobody. Nobody gave me any answers.

codyb 13y ago
Don't shame me for playing the Simpsons untapped (Simpsons farmville clone, whatever) but I think the cops name is Lenny and he says things like "Don't make me late for Pilates" when you click on him. but the one that cracked me up the most was "This is where my weekend of police training really kicks in." Holding is truly screwed up. When I went I saw so many shitty things. Cops abuse their power every day. I should have known when the managers at my shitty University food stop started on a power trip when I worked there and fired me for eating 8 old wings that were left over when I only ordered 6 for my meal... Went against protocol (needed three strikes, only got one). When I was arrested I was really drunk, I was slammed, and forced to sign a piece of paper banning me from a local college campus indefinitely. They said if I signed they'd let me go. Then they arrested me right after I signed it. Slammed multiple times because I said I couldn't leave into the snow with only socks on since my shoes were in my friends room.
vacri 13y ago
They really should up the qualifications on becoming a cop. Cops will take the best candidates they can get. They don't get a lot of people wanting to be a cop. It's a shitty job that most people would not do by choice.

loceng 13y ago

I agree, that's wrong. I am hoping that maybe they're referencing the idea that if there are bad cops, the good cops are just as guilty as the bad ones - if they're not doing anything about it. To that degree I agree, though I wonder how much unions have to do with keeping bad cops in jobs.

BlackDeath3 13y ago

I agree. This isn't the first time I wish I could revoke an upvote, but I suppose that's my fault.

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fapi1974 13y ago
ditto

baddox 13y ago

I think it's unnecessarily sensationalized language, but I agree with the general point, which is that cops are bad.