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We love what Apple did for the industry, we love using their products, we have varying levels of problems with them as a company. Some are very high, some are l

We love what Apple did for the industry, we love using their products, we have varying levels of problems with them as a company. Some are very high, some are low, but that's unrelated to what you're perceiving, which is a love of what they did for the industry and the products that we use.

piyush_soni 13y ago
> which is a love of what they did for the industry Like promoting useless patent litigations of 'rounded corners', 'slide to unlock' nature?
- moogleii 13y ago
  I think that was covered by "we have varying levels of problems with them as a company." But way to cherry pick.
  - piyush_soni 13y ago
    I can't speak for what the grandparent commenter meant by his problems with the company, but I think that was one of their 'biggest contributions' and needed to be mentioned. An iPhone developer and a founder of a company passionately argued with me once saying "what if they have found out the 'perfect radius' for their corners where their phone looks the best (say 5.6 mm), which no one else could find before? It definitely deserves to be patented". I was facepalm. Many people just don't think it's a problem, and don't realize how it is ultimately bad for them and their children.
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- tomasien 13y ago
  You can pick one part of my answer and isolate it from the rest if you like, but I made it clear: we have varying problems with what they do as a company, but many of us admire their larger impact. If you think controlling slide to unlock compares to popularizing the personal computer and the touch-screen smartphone, I guess we're just not going to agree. But I'm 99% sure we both agree that their patent litigation is ridiculous.
  - visarga 13y ago
    I used to admire Apple back in the day, not any more. For example, 2011 MBP laptops are having huge problems with the GPU and Apple is saying nothing. The user forums at Apple are overloaded with complaints, but no employee dignifies that with an answer. To me that seems like very bad customer service.
    - d0 13y ago
      Hep I have one of them. 2.7GHz i7 with 16Gb of RAM just sitting here rotting because it's unreliable and unsaleable.
GhotiFish 13y ago
Popularizing walled gardens? Yah I'm never going to forget that. ever.
- ekianjo 13y ago
  And going "nuclear" on Android because they felt that their iOS was soooo original it should be protected by all patents, trademarks and laws in place. Apple is the Disney of IT, seriously.
  - Steko 13y ago
    Presumably they went nuclear on Android because they felt betrayed when a close partner of their came out with a clone of their product, something Apple had a history with that nearly killed it.
    - ekianjo 13y ago
      What do you mean a "clone of their product" ? Desktop PCs had big icons on screen for years, there was nothing new or even remotely original in having big icons on a screen for an mobile OS. That should be declared an obvious invention and not worth of protection at all. The main new thing that they did was to use a touch screen that can be operated with fingers and gestures, but hey, even that idea was not new either. Frankly, no matter how highly you think of Apple's products, nothing of what they do is really, truly original.
      - eknkc 13y ago
        Once you see / use them, they become obvious inventions. You know, lightbulbs are so boring right now. Nothing original about them. Before Apple came up with iPhone, I had a freaking Ericsson brick thingy. None of Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung were innovating. None of those old, non original ideas were in any of those devices. Nokia had a webkit browser with a ridiculous cursor that you operated with that joystick thingy. I'm glad that Apple actually pushed them forward. So yes, I think Apple has original products and they are innovating.
huhtenberg 13y ago
Who's that "We" you are operating with?
chappi42 13y ago
there were palms treos before

piyush_soni 13y ago

> which is a love of what they did for the industry Like promoting useless patent litigations of 'rounded corners', 'slide to unlock' nature?

moogleii 13y ago
I think that was covered by "we have varying levels of problems with them as a company." But way to cherry pick.
- piyush_soni 13y ago
  I can't speak for what the grandparent commenter meant by his problems with the company, but I think that was one of their 'biggest contributions' and needed to be mentioned. An iPhone developer and a founder of a company passionately argued with me once saying "what if they have found out the 'perfect radius' for their corners where their phone looks the best (say 5.6 mm), which no one else could find before? It definitely deserves to be patented". I was facepalm. Many people just don't think it's a problem, and don't realize how it is ultimately bad for them and their children.
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tomasien 13y ago
You can pick one part of my answer and isolate it from the rest if you like, but I made it clear: we have varying problems with what they do as a company, but many of us admire their larger impact. If you think controlling slide to unlock compares to popularizing the personal computer and the touch-screen smartphone, I guess we're just not going to agree. But I'm 99% sure we both agree that their patent litigation is ridiculous.
- visarga 13y ago
  I used to admire Apple back in the day, not any more. For example, 2011 MBP laptops are having huge problems with the GPU and Apple is saying nothing. The user forums at Apple are overloaded with complaints, but no employee dignifies that with an answer. To me that seems like very bad customer service.
  - d0 13y ago
    Hep I have one of them. 2.7GHz i7 with 16Gb of RAM just sitting here rotting because it's unreliable and unsaleable.

GhotiFish 13y ago

Popularizing walled gardens? Yah I'm never going to forget that. ever.

ekianjo 13y ago
And going "nuclear" on Android because they felt that their iOS was soooo original it should be protected by all patents, trademarks and laws in place. Apple is the Disney of IT, seriously.
- Steko 13y ago
  Presumably they went nuclear on Android because they felt betrayed when a close partner of their came out with a clone of their product, something Apple had a history with that nearly killed it.
  - ekianjo 13y ago
    What do you mean a "clone of their product" ? Desktop PCs had big icons on screen for years, there was nothing new or even remotely original in having big icons on a screen for an mobile OS. That should be declared an obvious invention and not worth of protection at all. The main new thing that they did was to use a touch screen that can be operated with fingers and gestures, but hey, even that idea was not new either. Frankly, no matter how highly you think of Apple's products, nothing of what they do is really, truly original.
    - eknkc 13y ago
      Once you see / use them, they become obvious inventions. You know, lightbulbs are so boring right now. Nothing original about them. Before Apple came up with iPhone, I had a freaking Ericsson brick thingy. None of Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola, Samsung were innovating. None of those old, non original ideas were in any of those devices. Nokia had a webkit browser with a ridiculous cursor that you operated with that joystick thingy. I'm glad that Apple actually pushed them forward. So yes, I think Apple has original products and they are innovating.

huhtenberg 13y ago

Who's that "We" you are operating with?

chappi42 13y ago

there were palms treos before