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Are you a psychopath? In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? If you

Are you a psychopath? In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? If you have the chance to get a promotion by killing your boss but have near zero chance of being caught due to some circumstance, would you kill your boss? What the fuck.

sillysaurus2 13y ago
Why call your opponent names and become emotional? It's not effective. In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? There are at least two counterarguments to this. 1) The law is written for precisely this reason. Most people do live by a cost vs benefit mindset, and the penalties of laws are generally tuned until people stop committing the crime. I wouldn't want to live in a world where the penalty for murder was only a week in prison. 2) Anyone who uses the law as a way to guide their own moral compass probably isn't very moral, because throughout history every society has had laws which are later agreed to be evil.
- leobelle 13y ago
  Psychopath is not name calling. It's an honest question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
  - sillysaurus2 13y ago
    Names which offend people the most are those which are also true. It's still name calling, and it's also irrelevant to your argument in this case. I suppose my question is, do you care more about expressing yourself than convincing others? If so, then that's detrimental to a message board.
voodoomagicman 13y ago
In this case it is clear he is talking about utilitarian expected value rather than personal expected value. He receives no personal benefit by uploading the paper, but reading it provides value to others at ~0 cost to anyone.
- gizmo686 13y ago
  Actually, I was thinking in terms of personal expected value (namely a sense of satisfaction and good doing), however, I can see the argument that uploading it is also net positive globally.
hobs 13y ago
Sometimes I think I would do it for no promotion.
CamperBob2 13y ago
In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? In this one, where my taxes paid for the goddamned research.
tripzilch 13y ago
That's just silly. If you kill your boss, who's going to promote you, and who is going to pay out the higher salary? No, the rational thing to do is to wear his skin to impersonate him and sell all the company's assets. Then eat him.

sillysaurus2 13y ago

Why call your opponent names and become emotional? It's not effective. In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? There are at least two counterarguments to this. 1) The law is written for precisely this reason. Most people do live by a cost vs benefit mindset, and the penalties of laws are generally tuned until people stop committing the crime. I wouldn't want to live in a world where the penalty for murder was only a week in prison. 2) Anyone who uses the law as a way to guide their own moral compass probably isn't very moral, because throughout history every society has had laws which are later agreed to be evil.

leobelle 13y ago
Psychopath is not name calling. It's an honest question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  Names which offend people the most are those which are also true. It's still name calling, and it's also irrelevant to your argument in this case. I suppose my question is, do you care more about expressing yourself than convincing others? If so, then that's detrimental to a message board.

voodoomagicman 13y ago

In this case it is clear he is talking about utilitarian expected value rather than personal expected value. He receives no personal benefit by uploading the paper, but reading it provides value to others at ~0 cost to anyone.

gizmo686 13y ago
Actually, I was thinking in terms of personal expected value (namely a sense of satisfaction and good doing), however, I can see the argument that uploading it is also net positive globally.

hobs 13y ago

Sometimes I think I would do it for no promotion.

CamperBob2 13y ago

In what world does personal expected value versus expected cost of breaking the law ever become a good way to make moral decisions? In this one, where my taxes paid for the goddamned research.

tripzilch 13y ago

That's just silly. If you kill your boss, who's going to promote you, and who is going to pay out the higher salary? No, the rational thing to do is to wear his skin to impersonate him and sell all the company's assets. Then eat him.